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This analysis gives greater weight to high-quality research and plausible mechanisms than to sheer study volume.

Core Mechanisms Relevant to Geroprotection

Mechanism / Pathway Metformin Berberine Commentary
AMPK activation Robust, well-demonstrated in human tissues; partly via mild complex I inhibition and altered AMP:ATP ratio Robust, multiple human and animal studies; also inhibits mitochondrial respiratory complex I, but with additional gut microbiome–mediated activation Both activate AMPK, a central nutrient-sensing pathway linked to longevity, caloric restriction mimicry, and metabolic health.
mTOR modulation Indirect inhibition via AMPK activation and suppression of insulin/IGF-1 signaling Similar indirect mTOR suppression; possibly stronger effect per dose in vitro, but less human quantification Both can modulate mTORC1 indirectly; no evidence either can match rapamycin potency.
Insulin sensitivity / glucose homeostasis Significant in T2DM and prediabetes; preserves β-cell function Similar glucose-lowering effects; some head-to-head studies show equivalence or near-equivalence in glycemic endpoints Comparable efficacy in metabolic control, though berberine’s effects rely more on gut microbiome and bile acid modulation.
Mitochondrial effects Mild complex I inhibition → reduced ROS, improved redox balance; promotes mitohormesis Similar mild inhibition, but with added lipid-lowering and mitochondrial biogenesis signals Mechanistically parallel; metformin’s mitochondrial effect better quantified in humans.
Lipid metabolism Moderate TG and LDL lowering; mild HDL increase Often stronger LDL and TG reductions; HDL increases possible Berberine more potent for lipid profile improvement, likely via LDL receptor upregulation.
Gut microbiome modulation Alters composition toward SCFA-producing species; reduces endotoxemia Broad-spectrum microbiome modulation; ↑ Akkermansia, SCFA producers; ↓ LPS producers Both may mediate part of their geroprotective effects via microbiome changes.
Anti-inflammatory effects Lowers hsCRP, IL-6; reduces SASP markers in vitro Similar reductions in inflammatory cytokines; some unique NF-κB inhibition Comparable, though berberine’s NF-κB effects may be more direct.
Cancer modulation Epidemiologic links to reduced incidence in some cancers; possible tumor metabolism inhibition Broad anti-proliferative effects in vitro; AMPK–mTOR–NF-κB pathways; fewer clinical links Both plausible as adjuvants; metformin has stronger human-level data.
Cardiovascular remodeling Improves endothelial function, reduces LVH in metabolic syndrome Improves endothelial NO production, reduces arterial stiffness Comparable, though data in non-diabetic older adults is richer for metformin.
Neuroprotection Mixed; some evidence for reduced cognitive decline risk Similar early evidence; animal models suggest synaptic and amyloid modulation No clear winner; both plausible but unproven in humans.
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Pharmacologic and Physiologic Considerations in ≥75-Year-Olds

Factor Metformin Berberine Implications
Renal clearance Fully renally cleared; risk of accumulation and lactic acidosis increases with eGFR <45 mL/min/1.73m²; dose reductions or discontinuation needed Primarily hepatic metabolism with some renal clearance; no strong link to lactic acidosis In healthy ≥75s with preserved renal function, metformin remains safe; mild CKD shifts advantage toward berberine.
GI tolerability GI upset common initially; B12 deficiency risk increases with chronic use (can affect cognition, hematopoiesis) GI upset possible but often milder and transient B12 depletion risk more clinically relevant in older adults — can confound cognitive outcomes attributed to aging.
Mitochondrial reserve Metformin’s mild complex I inhibition may, in those with low mitochondrial reserve, contribute to fatigue or sarcopenia in a subset Similar complex I inhibition but often accompanied by lipid-lowering and anti-inflammatory effects that may offset some frailty drivers In healthy elders with strong reserve, likely not problematic, but monitoring muscle strength is prudent.
Polypharmacy interactions Very low CYP interaction profile Some CYP3A4 and P-glycoprotein interactions; can raise plasma levels of co-administered drugs Polypharmacy is common >75, so berberine’s interaction profile must be checked more carefully.
Glucose control relevance Strong protection against age-related insulin resistance and glucose excursions Comparable for mild glucose dysregulation; also strong LDL/TG improvement In the healthy ≥75 group without diabetes, lipid and vascular effects may be equally or more relevant than glycemic control.
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Taking Metformin and Berberine Together:

1 . Expected Synergy (greater than additive)

Parameter Mechanistic Rationale Notes for ≥75
AMPK activation Both drugs activate AMPK via partially distinct upstream signals — metformin via altered AMP:ATP ratio from mild complex I inhibition, berberine via mitochondrial inhibition plus gut microbiome–derived bile acid signaling → FXR/AMPK modulation Synergy possible because berberine’s gut-mediated activation is complementary to metformin’s direct hepatic/muscle cellular energy sensing
mTORC1 downregulation AMPK activation plus reduced insulin/IGF-1 signaling from both agents; berberine may also inhibit mTOR via NF-κB suppression and p70S6K modulation Could more fully suppress anabolic excess in hypercaloric or insulin-resistant states without rapamycin-like immune suppression
Microbiome modulation Metformin ↑ SCFA producers; berberine ↑ Akkermansia, ↓ LPS producers; combined effect may produce a broader “youthful” microbiome signature Microbiome synergy could amplify systemic inflammation reduction, gut barrier integrity, and metabolic signaling
Vascular function Metformin → endothelial NO↑, oxidative stress↓; berberine → lipid lowering, endothelial NO↑, NF-κB↓ Together may offer more robust protection against endothelial aging and microvascular rarefaction

2. Likely Additive Effects (parallel, non-overlapping targets)

Parameter Rationale Notes
Lipid profile improvement Berberine strongly lowers LDL/TG via LDLR upregulation; metformin’s lipid effects are modest Additive — lipid benefit mostly from berberine, but metformin may help via improved insulin sensitivity
Anti-inflammatory effects Overlapping but non-identical pathways (berberine more direct NF-κB inhibition, metformin more indirect via metabolic correction) Additive effect likely, but the slope of benefit smaller if baseline hsCRP already low
Cancer risk modulation Both affect tumor metabolism and growth signals; overlap via AMPK/mTOR but different secondary pathways Additive in theory, unproven in human late-life initiation

3. Potential Conflicts / Redundancies

Parameter Concern Mechanistic Basis Risk Mitigation
Excessive mitochondrial inhibition Both mildly inhibit complex I; in frail or sarcopenic elders, could tip into fatigue or impaired muscle recovery Possible if both at full metabolic doses Start lower on each, titrate to tolerance; monitor energy, strength
GI tolerability Both can cause GI upset, especially early Different gut effects but overlapping symptom profile Introduce sequentially, not simultaneously at full dose
Glucose lowering in normoglycemic elders Both lower fasting and postprandial glucose In healthy ≥75, could cause mild hypoglycemia in rare cases if combined with other glucose-lowering agents Monitor FBG and postprandial glucose early; adjust doses
Drug–drug interactions Berberine inhibits P-gp and some CYP isoforms; could alter clearance of other medications when combined with metformin Risk depends on co-medications Review medication list, especially digoxin, cyclosporine, certain statins
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#4

What is the source of this information?

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#5

Matches what I’ve read of the two. I cycle between the two throughout the week.

If it weren’t CYP3A4 I’d pick berberine due to its numerous advantages.

The unique gut microbiome modulating effects of each are quite good.

Berberine is powerful for LDL control.

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#6

What daily dosage (and perhaps timing) for Berberine?

#7

Likely AI. That format is found in most posts by some members, sharing AI answers to their queries. It is a format I find unappealing to read.

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#8

Thanks. I agree with your sentiment.

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I have been trying to sort this out for several years @Alpha and have yet to completely settle on an evidence-based regimen. In the past few years, I have read every geroprotection-focused study published in English on both substances. As @AustraliaLongevity observed, the concordance on the key points I summarized is relatively high (I omitted some of the more speculative claims). Currently, I’m taking 850 mg metformin and 600 mg berberine with my evening meal and 600 mg berberine with the first meal of the day. I find my odds for experiencing intestinal disturbance increase if I go much above these levels for any period of time. Also, at my age and high activity level, I have some concern about interference with intense physical activity. Were it not for these issues, I would likely take 1,000 to 1,700 mg of metformin and 1,500 mg berberine daily with some cycling, perhaps weekly or on alternate weeks.

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I am sceptical. It’s a really nice thought that there is some sort of natural product which can lower glucose, lower LDL-C, improve insulin sensitivity etc. However, we know that Berberine has terrible absorption from the gut, so it’s not very clear whether it is even reaching the cells we care about and inhibiting AMPK. The last I heard, people now think it is affecting the microbiome to bring about its effects.

One major thing is missing from this comparison: you’re comparing a single active molecule drug vs a natural extract supplement with a complex mixture of compounds.

Metformin is: an FDA approved drug, decades of human trials, very well characterised side effects. It has cGMP manufacturing. It’s also very cheap.

Berberine is: not approved for anything, has a few small studies which are mostly from China (I wouldn’t say “robust” like the AI model did). Plus, the manufacturing quality is totally unknown. Whatever product you buy, you are placing a lot of trust in the company selling it. Most likely they obtained it as a bulk powder, then packaged and marketed it. Who knows where and how (pesticides etc) the original herbs were grown. You don’t have any assurance of whether the extract was properly done, whether the extraction solvents were removed properly, whether the herbs were fresh, or whether they sat in the factory in China collecting rat and cockroach droppings. Time and time again supplements are tested and often don’t contain what they say they do, or they’re found to have contaminants like heavy metals.

Here is NOW foods (not an unbiased source) testing a bunch of supplements and finding they have low concentrations of Berberine: https://www.nowfoods.com/healthy-living/articles/nows-testing-results-berberine-products-december-2023

Here is a study Variability in Potency Among Commercial Preparations of Berberine - PMC showing that many supplements contains a lot less than the label stated. Here’s another https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0731708522005829 again showing huge variance in the dose.

And none of these checked for heavy metals, solvents etc which could easily be present in a natural extract.

So for me, if deciding between the two, it’s a very easy choice.

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#11

If you order from NootropicsDepot you get what you expect so these concerns are not an issue there – worked for me, did lower my apoB along with some diet changes. Not something I prefer over a statin though.

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#12

I can’t see any reason to take either one of these for life extension until the TAME trial finishes. For diabetes, I would only recommend Metformin, as there is plenty of data on safety etc.

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#13

Does a higher evidentiary standard apply here than for rapamycin?

#14

I tried taking berberine, but with my active lifestyle—going to the gym, cycling, and running almost every day—I felt it was really interfering with my recovery. I experienced significantly more delayed onset muscle soreness. So, for me, it was a no-go. Additionally, since I have very low body fat and low insulin levels, I didn’t see much value in it. But I gave it a shot.

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#15

I’ve been working with a gut microbiome specialist and she absolutely won’t let me try Berberine due to its potent broad spectrum antimicrobial properties. She said it would really set me back in terms of all the work I’ve done to improve my microbiome diversity. It may be more benign at lower doses like 600mg per day but I see a lot of people taking 2-3x that dose. I don’t really see any studies discussing this trade off and in particular how its effects good/bad vary with dosage.

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#16

Lowered my LDL a good amount. Mind you I’m also on tirzepatide, eating a high fibre diet and more.

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#17

The issue of berberine’s antimicrobial properties is an important point and one that concerns me. Overall, it would seem that the effects of berberine on the human biome are positive but too little is known and there are always individual differences to consider.

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#18

I did a lot of research on berberine and went to consumer lab. I pay a yearly subscription because they investigate most of the supplements that we take on a regular basis the one that I decided on was a. Dihydro Berberine , it’s much easier on the stomach and better absorbsion

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#19

I feel very good on Berberine 500mg (Natures Sunshine Australia) every few days before breakfast. I noticed I tend to sleep better, have more energy in the day and my cognitive response is improved. I find also if I take Myo Insotol (tip of teaspoon) at night on those days my anxiety at night (overthinking) is toned down and I sleep deeply. I would say it helps even more than the medicinal CBD/CBN I use. Also noticed nerve, muscle and joint pain goes. The calmness lasts about two days after doing this. At 64, 53kgs I also have an excellent diet focussed around gut health etc but low thyroid, somewhat higher cholesterol, high Lp(a). I am not on meds and feel very good. I go by what resonates with my own body. Have stopped all other supps for now since I feel so good on this. I think also because it works on the pathways that suppress the tumor I have (a treated acoustic neuroma) and like astaxanthin and fisetin also promotes autophagy. This is the main reason I take it.

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#20

Tried low dose lithium rotate for anxiety? 1-5mg a day. Works quite well

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