It also makes sense to me. Here in Asia the traditional meals contain a lot less red meat than an American meal.
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mccoy
#284
I’m a vegetarian(not vegan) but I like to stick to evidence. Red meat according to the analysis of Gil Carvalho (who is vegan) may not be unhealthy according to literature, provided we don’t go over a certain consumption threshold. Apparently, it’s one of those foods to be eaten with rigorous moderation. The non-detrimental dose threshold is of course lower than one steak per day.
A simple AI search with Gemini provides, for once, results that seem to be reasonable and in agreement with the above discussion. Individual variability is mentioned.
Recent literature on red meat and health generally suggests a link between high consumption of red meat, especially processed red meat, and an increased risk of certain health problems:
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Increased risk of certain cancers:
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Colorectal cancer: Strong evidence suggests a link between red and processed meat consumption and colorectal cancer.
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Other cancers: Some studies suggest potential links with other cancers like breast, prostate, and pancreatic cancer, but the evidence is less conclusive.
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Heart disease:
- High red meat consumption, particularly processed meat, may increase the risk of heart disease due to high saturated fat content and potential for increased LDL (“bad”) cholesterol.
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Type 2 diabetes: Some studies suggest a possible link between high red meat consumption and an increased risk of type 2 diabetes.
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Other health concerns:
- High red meat consumption may also be associated with increased risk of obesity and mortality.
Important Considerations:
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Processed vs. Unprocessed: Processed meats (like bacon, sausage, ham) generally carry higher health risks than unprocessed red meat (like beef, pork, lamb).
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Cooking methods: Cooking methods can also impact health risks. Grilling and barbecuing at high temperatures can produce harmful compounds.
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Individual variation: The impact of red meat consumption can vary significantly between individuals.
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Dietary balance: Red meat can be part of a healthy diet in moderation.
Recommendations:
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Limit red and processed meat consumption: Most health organizations recommend limiting red meat intake and significantly reducing or avoiding processed meat.
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Choose lean cuts: When consuming red meat, opt for lean cuts and trim visible fat.
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Healthy cooking methods: Choose healthier cooking methods such as baking, roasting, or stir-frying.
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Focus on plant-based protein sources: Include plenty of plant-based protein sources like beans, lentils, nuts, and tofu in your diet.
This is for informational purposes only. For medical advice or diagnosis, consult a professional.
“High consumption” of red meat is a relative term, but generally refers to an intake that exceeds recommended dietary guidelines.
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For most adults: This is often considered to be more than 70 grams (cooked weight) per day.
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Some organizations: Recommend even lower limits, such as no more than 700-750 grams (cooked weight) per week.
Important Note: These are general guidelines. Individual needs and health conditions may vary.
It’s crucial to consult with a healthcare professional or registered dietitian for personalized advice on your specific dietary needs. They can help you determine what constitutes “high consumption” for you based on your individual factors.
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RPS
#285
I wonder if the issue with red meat is down to the artificial feed that the vast majority of farmed animals consume.
I guess no one will ever to an RTC of meat consumption from standard farms vs the grass fed grass finished animals from regenerative farming.
I like my steaks (in moderation) so I’m sticking with the regenerative farm produce and I think I’ll be fine.
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Bicep
#286
Watch out for New5gc. I eat beef too but mostly deer meat. It’s a farm pest, no neu5gc, and finished with grass. The population has been way to high in recent years, but naturally there was a huge die off this year from 3 different diseases. A little hard to find them now.
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cl-user
#287
This is inaccurate at best. Even the American Diabetes Association says that low-carb diet is the best for T2DM (3rd slide below). They changed their minds after the Virta Health and others RTCs that achieved T2DM reduction, and even remission in some cases, with a low carb diet.
Here are the Virta Health publications and the Nutrition Consensus Report of the ADA.
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AnUser
#290
Why would anyone drink sugar-sweetened beverages anymore? Just drink diet soda with aspartame or similar, yes I said the word, and yes it’s safe (by EFSA, FDA, etc).
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Just drink water, tea, coffee, or flavored seltzer water—lots of flavors to choose from.
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L_H
#292
Yes I’m amazed anyone would recommend aspartame.
There’s so much evidence now of how bad it is for the gut microbiome, glucose tolerance and adiposity.
1 study found it reduced the number of phyla in the gut from 24 to 7 in just 4 days!
Effect of Non-Nutritive Sweeteners on the Gut Microbiota.
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hello, I have read your posts about neprinol.
will 3-4 capsules a day do the job or is necessary to take 3x3 ?
49 ys, some spots on both carotids, smoker, 67% obstruction of LAD
no simptoms, treadmil test ok
also pomegranate juice 100 ml a day, vit k
thank you
Did 3x3 fit about six months then tapered. Now, twenty years later, I buy a 150 cap bottle once a year and just take random amounts as convenient (sometime I gotta eat in the morning—remember to take in empty stomach!) until I finish bottle. Ca scan was 9, carotids still clear—so I’m not stopping this routine!
I know I am late in responding. It depends on what you consider a healthful diet. Healthy eating has become a social normative belief – i.e., people get a feeling of social approval (like when people believe they are smarter or better looking than average). But if every diet can be ranked on a 100-point scale, clearly not all healthful diets are equal. And yet most people overestimate the healthfulness of their diets.
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vongehr
#296
With all the different diets, and I studied too many to list, the ones that actually work great for some people all have one thing in common. They work if it makes people eat significantly less.
Those who think they can just go Mediterranean or whatever and then splurge, well, it is like obese adding a vitamin smoothy to donuts thinking that now they made all more healthy rather than even worse.
So, your 100 point scale would actually be dependent on that much more than on the type (e.g. low carb versus low fat) of diet.
vongehr
#297
And reading up on that, let me guess, you find that winter fat evolved for a reason. This is why these gym rats that desire zero fat at all cost are so silly. Animals have some fat for good reasons.
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I agree generally. But 99% of people either cannot eat less (and “less” means not 20% less than an over-weight diet but 20% less than a normal diet) or are unaware of calorie restriction.
And by “diet” I do not mean a popular (and thus easy) diet like the Mediterranean. I mean an almost 100% diverse, whole plant, high polyphenol diet consisting of all 8 kinds of plant food: fruit, veggies, whole grains, nuts and seeds, beans and legumes, mushrooms (technically not a plant), seaweed, and herbs and spices.
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blsm
#299
Oh, I just thought it was interesting. I personally do best on a moderate fat intake right now but it I’ve been keto in the past. Eating a whole/minimally processed omnivore diet provides me with enough naturally occurring fats that I don’t feel the need to add extra. I will most definitely never argue with, debate or judge anyone over diet and I respect everyone’s personal choices on how they eat.
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vongehr
#300
@blsm I was refering to the body fat that your previous comment was also about. Body fat is put on before winter, regardless of any fat in the diet. Your body makes your body fat. It does not put on the fat you eat. If you eat lots of tallow, your body fat is not tallow.
vongehr
#301
Well, you wrote about ranking all diets, and there are many different diets. The reason is psychological. Most people do know well that eating less is healthy, not eating yet more of supposedly healthy food. But human rationality socially evolved to rationalize emotional decisions. So, people very efficiently circumvent the knowledge they actually have and find ever new ways to not do what they should do, such as trying a new diet.
