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You may be as skeptical as I was but this is worth your time if you haven’t looked into possible harms from the cell phone in your pocket all day or the wifi bathing you 24 hours a day or the wireless headphones in your ears (and millimeters from your brain) all day or the many, many other electrical devices you and your family use all day, every day…

My guest is Olle Johansson PhD, retired Prof from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden. I kept an open mind as I approached this topic, and my brain did not fall out. Instead, I have changed my usage of my cell phone, wireless headphones, and WiFi…just in case.

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#2

I’m just afraid to listen to this :smile:

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#3

Well, this was more concerning than I had envisioned. Joseph, if you don’t mind me asking, have you taken concrete steps/changed concrete things in your daily life based on the information in this interview, and in what sense?

So distance from the device is definitely something to keep in mind. Gosh, I’d never even have considered potential problems of electric toothbrushes - I can’t live without that thing :face_with_peeking_eye:

Living in a darker, cooler region I am surrounded all day by electrical devices, lamps etc. Not sure what to do about all this. An interview I saw years ago about this topic stressed me out up to the extent that for years I’ve mostly kept my cellphone out or on flight mode - much to the annoyance of people trying to reach me :grimacing:

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#4

I too am reluctant to listen, in fear that it might be convincing :joy:… maybe later. Up to now my approach has been that even if there’s some kind of problem, physics says the electromagnetic fields drop in strength extremely rapidly with even minimal distance, so my phone stays on the night table within arms length and I’m not concerned. Same with reading iPad, phone, laptop, 18” away, meh. But this is before the podcast :rofl:…

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#5

For years I’ve kept my iphone on airplane mode unless I am out of the house. I get texts, calls and emails over WiFi

I imagine I’m still getting harm from WiFi (I haven’t listened yet), but less cell tower signal seems like a good thing.

My phone is my clock, so it is near my head when I sleep, and my cooling mattress is WiFi, and we have a smart house, so I think I’m basically screwed anyway.

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#6

@Pat25 Yes. I’ve been creeping forward on this ever since I started preparing for the nnEMF interview with Olle Johansson.

Ever since I discovered the power of my red / NIR lamp on my body I’ve started to believe that all of these electrical devices could have an effect on my body. I never felt anything but it takes almost no effort to be careful.

Now

  • cell phone not touch my body as much as practicable. Not in my pocket. Keep it arms length away from my body most of the time
  • cell phone off at 8pm ( a part of my circadian rhythm protocol)
  • always use headphones; never put the cell phone against my head
  • turn wifi in house off at night
  • use cable instead of WiFi for my desktop computer
  • only use one ear at a time for my AirPods
  • no TV in house but if I had one I would unplug it when not being used.
  • turn computers off instead of “sleep mode” when not using

Soon

  • go back to wired headphones instead of wireless headphones
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#7

The counterintuitive issue is the weaker the signal from the cell tower, the higher the energy output from your cell phone. Distance is your friend in these cases. I also use WiFi calling in my house because my cell signal is weak.

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#8

Thanks so much, Joseph. Guess I’ll have to find a way to try to use cable again. Had wanted to do this years ago - feel stupid for not having done so.

This is indeed something to keep in mind.

Since I had some concerns after listening to an interview about the same topic years ago, the past years I’ve avoided buying wireless headphones. By now I can’t count the times anymore that I’ve gotten stuck behind a door handle with my wired headphones. (Just a heads up to pay attention with door handles. I keep having to ask a family member if he can repair my headphones - he keeps telling me to finally do what everyone else does and buy wireless ones :face_with_diagonal_mouth:)

In this interview they also mentioned using a cellphone in the car - the electromagnetic signals are reflected and amplified a lot by the metal structure. And especially in a remote area/further from cell towers, the cellphone works harder to maintain a connection, increasing the emitted radiation. Plus the metal structure of the car can interfere with the signal, which apparently can also cause the phone to emit more radiation.

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#9

Haha, I totally feel the same way - I’ve literally electronic devices on everywhere around me :grin:

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#10

Ha! You reminded me about my ring!!! Yeah, we are doomed :slight_smile:

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#11

For cellphones I heard this might actually be extra bad as the cable directs the radiation to your head from the phone which is worse than being away from the phone via Bluetooth

Have not researched it, but heard from a person who generally is believable (and it was in the ca 3G era and not 5G if that matters).

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#12

I heard that too a long time ago. It is hard to know how to thread the needle on these life conveniences vs uncertain dangers from electronics. Most of the information I have found says wired headphones are safer (and to add a ferrite bead to minimize risks). Obviously, no headphones (speakerphone instead) is best, but headphones are probably not as worrisome as cell phones against the head/brain.

https://a.co/d/5WAvx2Y

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#13

Many people are obese, eat like shit, doesn’t prioritize sleeping well, are constantly dehydrated, have either slight anxiety and/or depression from previous listed factors and/or personal circumstances/experiences/patterns their brain defaults to, or how their typical day plays out, thus not feeling great all the time or most of the time. (it’s reinforcing from what’s listed in the back of this paragraph to the front as well).

For them there’s so many confounding factors in their life in for example – not feeling great, so maybe not even trying to alter nnEMF or similar would be even worth reading about or changing yet? Or would this have an impact for these people?

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#14

A good question. I operate under the assumption that the healthier I am in general, the more “headroom” I have for dealing with / not having a problem with / repairing problems like those caused by nnEMF. If so, an unhealthy person will be more sensitive and less resilient to nnEMF.

But it seems that some people are just more sensitive to nnEMF. Gage Banks said that some people become too sensitive as they become more fearful and careful to avoid injury. He said to “reintegrate” the body and mind into the world.

Just to be more careful without much effort I’ll just expose myself less to nnEMF as I reduce plastics, heavy metals, pollution, pesticides, etc

But I also walk the track everyday using my peripheral vision to notice my arms swinging and the world go by me, as Gage suggested.

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#15

Here’s some new information (for me) that I found useful on this topic. I think there is a reason to worry about nnEMF.

“ As a result, a controversy over health effects of non-thermal electromagnetic radiation (NTER) has been maintained for far longer than necessary.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844025006474

Here is Paul Heroux PhD (the paper author) in a podcast describing how electrical fields can interfere with biological processes (in ways that are ignored by the science put forth by the industries that expose us to nnEMF).