#42

I did not have such concerns. Once you see how the device operates you can see it’s pretty much a moot point. This is the same device as used for the treatment called “Secret RF” procedure. Look at the retail price for the same device: Pro Secret Gold RF Microneedling Machine | Skin Tightening Facial Beauty Machine | Fractional RF Microneedling Equipment – Rejuva Fresh

It’s stupid, both are made in the same Chinese factory. Why would one heat you consistently while the other heats you INconsistently? It’s all fear mongering to stop people from the DIY route. This device is stupid easy to operate. When I stay within the parameters they give for various parts of the face, I feel completely safe. No fat has melted off my face. But again, this isn’t medical advice and everyone’s mileage varies.

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#43

Totally hear you. Thank you for your research. I’m new to these devices but interested to learn and to achieve results like yours! do you have to use any face gel before or after? Did you try any topical rapa with the microneedling? Thanks again!

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#44

Oh yes you do need some sort of gel / serum for this device. Doesn’t need to be conductive gel like with ultrasound treatments but you don’t want the device to be applied to your bare skin. I make my own serum I like to use, with retinyl palmitate, salicylic acid, glycerol, dmso, lecithin, and squalane. That’s it, no water, an anhydrous emulsion. But that’s because I like to, you can use any gel.

I used rapa on a skin spray once but didn’t think it worked wonders and honestly the pills are too expensive to spend that way for me. But I plan to buy some dasatinib and make a lotion based on some good info I pulled from this group. Also just recently I started using methylene blue and it’s too soon to tell but so far I’m loving it. Works synergistically with my red light + IR panel too.

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#45

Awesome! I was going to ask about MB - I love it with red light too. So you don’t need a numbing cream and a bunch of disinfectants like they show in the Secret RF vid
?

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#46

I clean my face very well but I don’t disinfect with alcohol. The procedure is pretty sterile because of the heat delivered deep in the skin. If you want to be extra careful you can pre wipe with alcohol. Did buy the numbing cream just in case because I saw some YT woman doing it to herself and saying it’s super painful. But I didn’t find it painful at all. Except right above my lip, that spot is a bitch. Depending on your pain tolerance you may want numbing cream but I skipped using mine after the very first time.

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#47

Ah, good to know! and you replace needles every use? sorry if you already mentioned this.

#48

Yes they’re disposable. For every treatment you’ll need a head / cartridge with needles and a tube for suction. Together they cost around $5-6.

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#49

A friend of mine, an aesthetician, has some equipment, like RF micro needling, and similar devices that she buys directly from China for under $400 each. None of it lasted more than couple years. The quality is very low, there are no clear instructions in any language, and it’s not clear what it actually does and if it delivers what they promise. Because of the low price, it’s easy to replace it every 2 years or so. Quality is not even expected.

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#50

Curious how you’re using MB? I use a dropper of diluted liquid but wondering if there’s better dosage control and how to incorporate it into the microneedling.
Thanks

#51

that’s the concern… how do we know what it’s actually doing? but then the branded ones are also often from china but with a label

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#52

They’re all made in China. They’re different leagues though as I showed with the Morpheus 8 machine. It’s almost a good thing if it breaks every 2-3 years as you’ll want something newer and better, not the same tech specs for 10-20 years. Also an aesthetician will use it very hard, meaning daily or close to it, whereas I only use it every 4 weeks.

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#53

But how does one know it’s not fake (like knockoff designer handbags)? Inmode Morpheus8 is $60k on eBay :flushed: and $1.5k per treatment. Just wondering…

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#54

Well the proof is in the pudding. My face looks younger, so. But more fundamentally, as someone with a substrate of a background in physics, the process that needs to happen here is pretty simple. It’s not rocket science. You have a push button injection — thrusting forward of the head where the needle sticks out, which is pretty basic mechanically. And then you have the emission of radio frequency waves from the tips of the needles. What’s so hard about this? There’s a metal of certain conductivity that needs to be used and it needs to be skin friendly and all that. With the right voltage and resistance and other basic mechanical parameters you can easily emit the radio frequency waves. Why would a factory invest in all the metal and plastic to build the machine, to also build an interface that clearly works, and then just not get the other details right? Creating the user interface and software sounds more complicated than the basic mechanics of thrusting forward the head of a cartridge at a specific depth and delivering some electricity through it in conditions that convert it to radio frequency.

The knockoff designer bags can be cheaply made but most of them are actually identical to the real thing, indistinguishable, illegally distributed from the factory where the real merch was made. And the only difference is from the “genuine article” one gets bragging rights and status commensurate with having paid FU money for a luxury object. But not from the knockoff…. The real difference between the genuine and the high end knockoff is how much money you paid for it. Think about that….

The income disparity between the West and China, the willingness of vain first world folks, ok, women, to spend absurd prices on marginally improving their looks, the religious quality of the belief that such things should be left in the hands of “professionals”, all these things contribute to this market where there is nothing close to price parity.

Anyway the little device is “Secret RF.” If you want Morpheus 8 buy the $1,700 one. Still costs about the same as a single treatment.

I bought my latest red + infrared light panel for $300 delivered. It’s got 300 LED lights and it’s awesome. The same thing with the MITO logo slapped on would probably cost $3,000 if not more. Is the near infrared emitted “fake”? A knockoff? It’s just an LED that emits light of a certain wavelength. No need for designer LEDs.

Same thing with my rapa. I get siroboon from India at a fraction of Rapamune from Pfizer. They have the same molecular structure of Rapa.

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#55

love this, thank you. i’m excited to try.

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#56

What an amazing difference.

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#57

Quick update that methylene blue DEFINITELY works. I take a couple of drops in a glass of water almost daily but aside from that I mix a few drops in whatever moisturizer I’m using — lately Eucerin lotion for dry skin. And if I’ve got any time I lie down in front of my red + IR light panel for a good 20-30 minutes. When I get up, I’m not sure how to explain it. I look like Snow White. Literally makes my complexion glow. Yesterday a woman I bought a bowl of soup from at the local fair complimented me on my complexion. It’s the methylene blue that’s giving me just an extra edge. Would like to see @desertshores incorporate it into his skin skunk works and let us know how it goes! He’s got me ordering Dasatinib soon to apply topically.

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#58

Do you know how much MB is in a drop?

#59

I forget. This is the product, looked all that up the first time I bought it but now can’t remember the details:

Earth Harmony Methylene Blue Pharmaceutical Grade 99.99% with Dropper

https://amzn.to/3rKwXYb

In the lotion I drop 2-3 drops total, that I mix in with the whole container of existing moisturizer. The stuff is quite blue. So I’m only applying a fraction of a drop topically. Not much. I read a paper on skin effects though that showed a U shaped response. Also there’s synergy with red and infrared light.

I’m in a skincare FB group where women swear by methylene blue but usually they just buy the branded cosmetics from the company Bluelene. Their stuff has so little methylene blue that it doesn’t even look blue. They cite the U shape response research as the reason they put very little of the stuff in their cosmetics. But that research was in vitro so the dosage probably doesn’t translate directly. Anyway my moisturizer is a bright electric blue so I have a lot more of it than this firm recommends. But it works. Also after a 20-30 min session of red light my face seems to absorb the slight blue tint.

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#60

Wow, you have amazing results. Whatever is responsible, something is definitely working! Easily 10 years or more off your skin appearance. Thank you for sharing!

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#61

According to Dr. Alan Green, the half life of rapa is 65 hours.