Sure didn’t help those ITP mice.

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Here’s a tidy transcript summary, core takeaways, and a critique of the YouTube video titled:
“Taurine May Not Decline With Age + Cancer Link?” (by Siim Land)
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XGdrDQ-Uqw


:small_blue_diamond: Tidy Summary

1. New Findings on Taurine and Aging

  • A recent 2024 Science study examined taurine levels across species (humans, non-human primates, mice).
  • Contrary to earlier studies, taurine levels do not decline with age; in fact, they sometimes increase.
  • Taurine levels vary widely between individuals. This inconsistency complicates the idea of using taurine as a universal aging biomarker.

2. Why Might Taurine Rise with Age?

  • Compensatory response: Aging causes oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction; taurine may rise to counteract these effects.
  • Kidney dysfunction: Aging reduces taurine excretion, leading to accumulation.
  • Sex/body composition effects: Women (who live longer) have higher taurine levels and more fat mass, which might influence taurine dynamics.

3. Health Outcomes and Supplementation

  • Higher blood taurine levels do not consistently predict health outcomes (e.g. strength, organ function, aging markers).

  • But: Clinical trials show taurine supplementation benefits include:

    • Improved metabolic health (e.g. blood pressure, blood sugar)
    • Reduced inflammation
    • Enhanced exercise performance
    • Extended lifespan/healthspan in mice (15%/25% respectively)

4. Taurine and Leukemia

  • A separate study linked taurine transporters (not taurine itself) to leukemia progression:

    • In mice with leukemia, higher taurine transporter expression led to faster disease progression.
    • Human leukemia patients with high transporter expression had worse survival.
    • Suggests cancer may hijack taurine transporters to support its growth.
  • Important caveat: There’s no evidence that taurine causes cancer. The transporter is upregulated by the disease.

5. Final Takeaway

  • Taurine doesn’t promote aging or cause cancer.
  • Taurine supplementation remains beneficial, especially for people with poor metabolic health.
  • Avoid in cancer contexts cautiously, until more is known.

:white_check_mark: Key Conclusions

主题 Evidence Summary
Aging No consistent decline in taurine with age; elevation may be compensatory
Health biomarkers Circulating taurine not reliably linked to better or worse health outcomes
Supplementation Improves metabolic, cardiovascular, and exercise metrics (clinical support)
Cancer (Leukemia) Taurine transporter is upregulated in leukemia; no causality from taurine itself
Safety Likely safe in healthy people; caution advised in active cancer (esp. leukemia)

:brain: Critique

Strengths:

  • :white_check_mark: Balanced interpretation: The speaker carefully distinguishes between taurine levels, transporters, and supplementation effects.
  • :white_check_mark: Clear explanation of mechanistic ambiguity: Recognizes that elevation in taurine might reflect physiological compensation rather than pathology.
  • :white_check_mark: Correctly addresses cancer concern: Clarifies that cancer uses taurine transport, but taurine itself is not a carcinogen.

Weaknesses:

  • :warning: No mention of dosage thresholds: The discussion would benefit from addressing what doses were used in trials vs. common supplements.
  • :warning: Speculative on transporter upregulation: While it’s plausible that cancers hijack transport systems, mechanistic details (e.g. signaling pathways or metabolic flux) are lacking.
  • :warning: No reference to human interventional aging trials: The mention of an unpublished taurine-aging human trial could have been expanded (e.g. trial registration ID or study design).

Opportunities for Future Coverage:

  • :test_tube: Detailed discussion of taurine kinetics (synthesis vs. dietary intake vs. excretion)
  • :microscope: Mechanistic comparison between taurine and other longevity interventions (e.g., glycine, carnosine, melatonin)
  • :bar_chart: Meta-analyses of taurine trials to better quantify effect sizes in humans

Would you like a literature review on taurine supplementation trials in humans or mechanistic pathways linked to its mitochondrial and anti-inflammatory effects?

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Nevertheless, the study looked only at natural taurine levels in the body, and not at whether supplements have any benefits. “That’s something that has yet to be tested,” he says.

Ahhh… and for me… think higher supplementation for a year… improved my bone density and gum/teeth health.

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I had a hunch that taurine might work synthetically with soluble fiber to lower cholesterol, and asked OpenAI’s o3 model to see whether it was plausible. Here was the result:

Both pieces of the puzzle work separately, and the biochemistry supports a complementary “make more bile acids, then lose them” loop.
However, direct experimental evidence for synergy is still missing. A short, well-controlled human trial with the measurements above could close that gap and clarify whether combining taurine with soluble fibre yields clinically meaningful extra LDL reduction – or whether FXR feedback, conjugation patterns, or GI tolerance limit the payoff.

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Thanks Vlasko… my N=1 says I am getting bone density improvement. Based on DEXA score before and with taurine.

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@Agetron But weren’t you also taking HGH? That can move the needle quite dramatically re: bone density.

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The DEXA better T score was with the only change in my medicine/supplements being taurine a year earlier. January 2024 to November 2024.

Started HGH this January 2025. Certainly it too can help bone density. I will see in the DEXA I take in 1.5 years if even better.

My insurance covers free DEXA every 2 years.

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TRT can also help with that. I know you’d already been on testosterone for a few years but it might take a while to show appreciable effects. Not dismissing the taurine connection. Just would love to see a clearer use case without other interventions known to improve bone density.

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True… but because I was on on TRT… for 5 years and rapamycin 4 years when first test came back showing osteopenia. I think it is not likely those benefitted to a sudden a change in the past 2 years. Pretty sure it was taurine.

I do more testing than many on this site… :wink:
Not cheap tracking my past 5 years every 4 to 6 months.

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Here is the author of the 2023 taurine study chiming in with his take

https://x.com/vijayyadavlab/status/1934680200521904443?s=61

This story is not over. He mentioned they’re conducting a new double blind placebo controlled for half a year.

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I took six grams per day for at least six months and noticed a net effect of zero. Whether it helps or not on a subliminal level, it makes me toot like a tuba, which I don’t like.

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Hmmm… never heard of it having gastric… gas effects. Unlike acarbose. Lol.

I don’t feel different with Taurine… but DEXA tests say differently. Great improvements.

We are more different than we look it seems.

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I have the same reaction. IIRC I determined it’s likely because I was saturating the taurine transporter so taurine was making it to the colon where bacteria love to turn it into hydrogen sulfide. Lower doses spread out might help, but I didn’t try it.

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Tidied Transcript

(timestamps, fillers, and repeated words removed; punctuation and paragraphing added for clarity)

Two years ago a breakthrough study suggested that taurine could help combat aging. A new study just published casts serious doubt on that earlier result—and that is a good thing, as I’ll explain.

Taurine is an amino acid found naturally in the body, especially in the brain, heart, and muscles. It plays many roles, from energy metabolism to supporting the nervous system, and deficiency can cause cardiomyopathy. For decades it has been added to energy drinks, but interest in taurine has soared because of its possible influence on aging.


The 2023 study

Researchers reported two key findings:

  1. Supplementation effects

    • In worms, extra taurine increased lifespan by 10–23 percent.
    • In mice, lifespan rose 10–12 percent and life-expectancy at 12 months improved 18–25 percent.
  2. Age-related decline
    Taurine levels appeared to fall sharply with age in mice and monkeys, and the authors inferred the same for humans.

They concluded that falling taurine drives aging and that supplementation could slow the process.


The new 2025 study

Other papers had shown conflicting patterns—some found taurine rose with age, others saw no change—so a team re-examined the question.

  • Methodological shift – Instead of relying only on cross-sectional snapshots (comparing different people of different ages once), they added longitudinal data (following the same individuals over time).
  • Human data – From the Baltimore Longitudinal Study of Aging, each participant gave 3–5 blood samples over ~8 years (ages 26–100).
  • Animal data – Longitudinal taurine levels in primates and mice were also analyzed.

Result: taurine does not decline with age; if anything it trends upward slightly, and individual variation is far larger than any lifetime change. Taurine levels also failed to correlate reliably with muscle strength, body weight, or other aging markers.

Therefore the central premise of the 2023 paper—that low circulating taurine drives aging—appears wrong, undermining the lifespan-extension hope.


Why that is good news

Science advances by proposing, testing, and, when necessary, overturning ideas. The new study illustrates the self-correcting process: doubts about methodology prompted better data, refining our understanding of taurine.


Practical takeaway for supplements

The presenter still takes taurine (as part of “Microvitamin Plus”) but not for anti-aging. Human clinical data—though preliminary—suggests benefits for metabolic syndrome:

  • A 2024 meta-analysis of 25 randomized trials (~1,000 participants, 1–6 g/day) reported reductions in fasting glucose, blood pressure, triglycerides, LDL cholesterol, HbA1c, and insulin, with no weight change.
  • Limitations: 18 of the 25 trials lacked key methodological details, most lasted ≤ 2 months, and effect sizes were modest.
  • Additional small studies hint at lower blood pressure and improved cardiac performance in heart-failure patients, but longer, higher-quality trials are needed.

Safety data are reassuring; in vitro findings that taurine can fuel growth of existing cancer cells are not evidence of cancer risk in humans.

For now, taurine is probably not an anti-aging panacea, but it may offer cardiovascular and metabolic advantages. The presenter will keep using it while staying open to new evidence.


Summary of the Video

  • Old claim: A 2023 study linked falling taurine levels to aging and showed lifespan extension in worms and mice with supplementation.
  • New evidence: A 2025 longitudinal analysis in humans, primates, and mice finds taurine does not fall with age, overturning the earlier mechanistic story.
  • Implication: Taurine supplementation is unlikely to slow aging merely by restoring levels.
  • Other benefits: Small human trials point to improved metabolic and cardiovascular markers; safety profile remains good.
  • Presenter’s stance: Continues taurine for metabolic reasons, not for lifespan, and applauds science’s capacity for self-correction.

Critique

Aspect Strengths Weaknesses / Caveats
Explanation Clear walkthrough of cross-sectional vs longitudinal methods; good analogies (anxiety example). Could have shown actual figures/tables; relies entirely on narration—visual data would help viewers judge.
Balance Acknowledges excitement and disappointment; emphasizes uncertainty and need for replication. Nonetheless ends by reaffirming personal use of taurine, which may bias tone (the presenter sells a supplement containing taurine).
Evidence appraisal Properly highlights limitations of meta-analysis (short duration, variable quality) and of in-vitro cancer data. Does not quantify effect sizes or heterogeneity statistics from the meta-analysis; viewers cannot gauge clinical relevance.
Logical flow Nicely connects new study findings to broader theme of scientific self-correction. Leaves an open question—why did taurine extend lifespan in animals?—without discussing possible species-specific mechanisms or dosage differences.
Conflict of interest Discloses personal supplement use and that formulas can change. Would be stronger to state whether the presenter profits directly from Microvitamin sales.
Actionable advice Encourages evidence-based decisions and waiting for better trials. Could have provided practical guidance on consulting healthcare professionals before supplementing.

Overall: The video is an accessible, mostly balanced update that punctures hype around taurine and aging while still exploring other possible benefits. The main limitation is potential conflict-of-interest bias—all viewers should interpret the endorsement of continued taurine use in that light and await larger, longer human trials before drawing firm conclusions.

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Yes, that’s a good summary. In essence, taurine does not decline with age as first thought, but it is still an excellent supplement for metabolic issues.

It also promotes the formation of senescent cells in mice.

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As I interpret the new data. If a person is deficient in taurine, then the odds are good for an improved health and longevity, if they supplement with taurine.

I have reduced my intake to approximately 2,5 grams if I wake up during the night.
2-2,5 grams is great for putting me back to sleep, when I wake up at 3 AM (which is often). Some days I also take 2,5 grams in the the morning. So all together, I am down to approximately 2,5 - 5 gr per day.

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Several months ago I had noticed someone on Reddit mentioned that taurine supplementation fixed their “essential tremor”:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EssentialTremor/comments/12di6ko/i_highly_recommend_taurine_for_hand_tremors/

They wrote (2 months before the “taurine deficiency… aging” paper was published):

I highly suggest taurine. I’ve been dealing with essential tremor in my right hand for years, it’s been a big big deal for my life because I’m a classical guitarist and thats the most important thing to me. Somehow, taurine basically fixed it. I take vitamin b injections 100 mg thiamine a couple times a week, a pill of magnesium and a pill of taurine every day. I’ve recently just started the taurine, which I found out by accident recently in the last 6 months or so. It totally works for me, I’ve experimented with it not taking it for a few weeks etc. And, at least for me, it totally fixed my hand. I’m still in disbelief honestly about actually solving this for me. I don’t understand why taurine would be that big of a factor, but it totally works for some reason for me. I don’t take any medication, and that’s it. I truly hope this can help someone, I searched for about a decade trying to find out a solution for me and yeah, it works for me man. Hopefully this helps someone.

I found that page since something similar happened to me, and I had wondered if anyone else taking taurine experienced something similar. After taking taurine for a short time, I noticed an improvement to hand tremors (though in my case these were very mild); for example, after supplementation I tended not to spill coffee when carrying a full cup to a table, where a slight hand-shaking causes it to spill onto the floor. I don’t even really remember what it was like before taking taurine here in 2025 – what it felt like, beyond just knowing I had a slight tremor and the sense that things improved – so it could be I was just imagining it (and that this guy on Reddit also imagined it).

Addendum: Oh, I actually made a video of myself explaining the “less shaking” back in 2023 around the time that the big taurine paper was released (I was 50 years old then, I think):

https://imgur.com/a/starspawn0-on-some-possible-effects-from-taurine-supplementation-nothing-proven-just-guess-uZIM6yX

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You don’t know for sure how old you were in 2023? :joy::joy::joy: sorry had to say it lol but thanks for the info on Taurine. I’ve experienced some benefits from taurine also but mine had mainly to do with stomach issues and heartburn. Taurine totally fixed it. I don’t know if it does anything for longevity but taurine is one of very few sups that intend to take it for life, since I’ve had stomach/acid reflux issue for as long as i can remember and as soon as I started Taurine my problems just disappeared.

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