Plant Protein is superior to everything else for healthy aging

[curt504]

We watched this series by Bill Schindler and Cat Bigney as they realistically lived like how humans would live in each period of time; 50k yr ago, 10k yrs go, 5k yrs ago and the tools, or lack of in that period. Its a must see to appreciate how difficult calories, protein was to find. It starts pre-fire. Watch to appreciate the plant vs animal discussion vs today re the comfort of 2024 Kroger’s. IE its easy to have these Dr Campbell-esk (the culled-China Study) debates without the historical context of how difficult all forms of nutrition was to consume. If you lived 10k yrs ago thanks to this re-enactment one might have a new perspective on our experiencial and DNA history. Its truly hair raising.

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Human-Race-Season-1/dp/B01BCNJH5M

Lets say, my wife and I would have been dead in a few weeks at longest. Schindler/Bigney really showed how tough life was!! The reality (back then) of dividing your physical energy between shelter vs hunting food was both life and death divisions of time and calorie expenditure. Having read Sacret Cow, started out in westonaprice.org learning about nutrition, historically its was a disadvantage for humans to not have a cow’s 4 stomachs so as to benefit from more raw plants… Or a rabbits 4x more intestinal length.

Another good book putting a historical context on nutrician; Catching Fire how cooking made us human, Richard Wrangham. Honestly though, Sacret Cow by Diana Rogers was a wider scientific investigation.

Take care all, curt

[Dr.Bart]

@desertshores

Ancient and present day, Saami, Nenets, Chukchi, Inuits, Yupiks, and various other tribes hunted and ate seals, bears, caribou, etc., In fact they ate seal blubber, a thick layer of fatty tissue that insulates seals and other marine mammals from cold water temperatures and helps them survive in icy environments. It was an important food for survival in the frigid temperatures of the North.

Yana Rhinoceros Horn Site: Located in Siberia, this archaeological site has yielded evidence of early human groups hunting mammoths around 27,000 years ago.

These were a minority, still doesn’t change my statement than in general our human ancestors did NOT eat a lot of fat and a lot of meat.

[desertshores]

The only ones who didn’t lived in warm climates.
"Some Native American tribes, such as those in the Arctic and Plains regions, ate a large amount of meat, often as much as 76–85% of their diet. "

[Dr.Bart]

@Stephen_Hazel

Pretty sure the scientific consensus I’ve seen is that homo erectus was the one who started taking down the large animals of the time. And that was 2.5 million years ago.
our modern species is only 350k, of course. Homo erectus took down mamoths and a LOT of other super big game with spears and throwing spears and such. And those animals had a lot of fat… If you’re in winter and the plants are all dead or at least under the snow, well now fat sounds like a pretty solid source of calories doesn’t it? Hunter gatherers of THIS day almost worship meat. They spend most of their life planning out how to get it. The yanomami, the hadza - they’ll eat whatever they find but there’s nothing they prize more than meat! And who can blame them. When you bite steak off the t-bone… I mean that makes me wanna bark at the moon That’s a feeling you just can’t deny ha ha. Be nice to the pretty animals if you like. But meat is the same thing as YOU. I’m not sure why aaanyone would think that eating something that’s wayyy different from you (plants can’t even move!) could possibly be more nutritious than eating something that’s almost identical to you… cite papers all you like. Biting meat off a bone is all the proof I need. But, you know. Feel free to live your life as you please. I just can’t deny the obvious things smacking me in the face.

You have to read my response more carefully to avoid creating a strawman argument. I AM NOT ADVOCATING ANY DIET I am simply pushing back against the worn out cliche that “OUR ANCESTORS ATE A LOT OF MEAT AND FAT” If that’s not the case please provide some evidence instead of ranting.

[Dr.Bart]

@desertshores

The only ones who didn’t lived in warm climates.
"Some Native American tribes, such as those in the Arctic and Plains regions, ate a large amount of meat, often as much as 76–85% of their diet. "

Well apparently homo sapiens emerged from Africa, so most of the time we lived in warm climates. I am not sure what is the point of providing these examples. If you have some evidence of what the paleo mostly consisted of then post it.

[desertshores]

@Dr.Bart

I am not sure what is the point of providing these examples. If you have some evidence of what the paleo mostly consisted of then post it.

I never said that. My position is that there is no proof plant-based proteins are superior to animal-based proteins

[Dr.Bart]

@desertshores

I never said that. My position is that there is no proof plant-based proteins are superior to animal-based proteins

Never questioned that on this thread, my discussion was limited to what was the actual paleo diet was.

[PBJ]

I am just happy that we all agree plant based protein is best.

[adriank]

Try explaining that to those on carnivore diet. People who takes lots of plant protein are also more likely to get blocked arteries.

[Virilius]

According to what source?

[adriank]

There are plenty of testimonials in YouTube.

Carnivore Diet- what did all that meat do to my arteries? CACS results

I’m looking for a research article where they traced the plaque back to the source of plants. I read a week ago but to be honest I’m not on a carnivore diet. It doesn’t interest me. I like all kinds of food. But I’m carefully with some of the greens that have too much oxalates or unwanted nutrients.

Show me a protein that we need that is only available through plants and not animals. While I don’t advocate indiscriminate killings of animals. As far as I’m concern it is their karma to be eaten by us. And people who quote the Bible about people being vegan, that is so stupid. I’ve been to Bible college and I can tell you if that was implied, there are far worse things that are implied. Anyway Bible is symbolic at best, at worse a book to control people of lesser intellect. I’m a Christian but I don’t subscribe to nonsense.

[Virilius]

@adriank

There are plenty of testimonials in YouTube.

The highest form of proof according to the pyramide of broscience. I am fully convinced and will now eat more meat to clear my arteries from sugar.

I’m looking for a research article where they traced the plaque back to the source of plants.

I’m assuming you are refering to plant sterols? I’m not sure regarding their health effect but overall it’s the apoB particles that cause heart disease and those are increased on a diet high in saturated fat and dietary cholesterol.

Show me a protein that we need that is only available through plants and not animals.

It is harder to get all required protein from plants but far from impossible. A diversity of plant sources is required.

As far as I’m concern it is their karma to be eaten by us

I’m not arguing about the moral aspect of eating meat or not. That’s a topic for another forum imo.

[mccoy]

@Virilius

The highest form of proof according to the pyramid of broscience

A pretty meaningful sentence, I may adopt that in other contexts, with your permission.

[ReppinMycin]

I think the highest form of proof in bro-science is I am more jacked than you but personal anecdotes run a close second.

[AnUser]

@adriank

There are plenty of testimonials in YouTube.

Yes, the infamous CAC scan at 50-60 years old or so being in the camp where 34% do not have any calcified plaque.

Next show me some Carnivore YouTubers in their 30’s having Zero CAC score too.

Since we’re talking about anecdotes, here’s one who had a high LDL / apoB… kind of like MR/genetic studies and RCT’s can accurately map reality:

By the way, carnivorous animals do not develop atherosclerosis. Go figure.

[Dr.Bart]

@Virilius

The highest form of proof according to the pyramide of broscience. I am fully convinced and will now eat more meat to clear my arteries from sugar.

The pyramid of broscience.

[Dr.Bart]

@AnUser

By the way, carnivorous animals do not develop atherosclerosis. Go figure.

I bet you if humans had to stalk, chase and carve up their meat every day they would not develop atherosclerosis either.

[adriank]

@Dr.Bart

I do not stalk and chase I am obese by definition (BMI 36+) and turning 50. My CAC score is 0. My cholesterol level is not high, Trig 1.5mmol/L, HDL 1.1mmol/L and LDL 2.5mmol/L . BP range between 110/65 to 120/75. I always eat fried food… and love the taste of animal fat. The most exercise I do daily is my sauna and hot spa for 15mins each.

That said, since starting on Rapamycin, my HbA1C has steadily gone up, but probably because of my taste for chocolates and lollies. My lipids level hasn’t really moved. So I will cut out the ice cream and chocolate for the next 3 months.

[AnUser]

@adriank

and turning 50. My CAC score is 0.

You do realize once your CAC turns positive that means you have advanced disease? And that it’s not a good thing? Did you look at the graph and see the rate of positive CAC with age?

[adriank]

To be honest I have no idea how to read the CAC… my doctor tells me not to worry as my exercise cardio is fine.