#121

Trust me, the older you get the easier CR becomes.

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#122

He is already looking rather ghoulish in my opinion. I hope I am wrong, but in 20 years time we can all make up our mind. Then again for the kind of money he is spending, how practical is it for most people… lol.

#123

Most ppl can simply follow a healthy diet, exercise, and take some supplements in addition to excluding smoking, alcohol and drugs. I’m pretty sure it’ll bring dramatic results.

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#124

Even with supplements, apart from Vitamin C, L-lysine, Vitamin D and Magnesium we do not need much else, except when there is a deficiency.

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#125

Again on Bryan Johnson. A short while back Matt Kaeberlein commented a video with him going to a Caribbean island for a treatment based on follistatin. Follistatin is a myostatin-binding protein and when myostatin is inhibited, a brake to muscle hypertrophy is released. In simple words, muscles grow big time.
So his muscle mass, pretty good for a man in CR and exercising, might still be associated to such treatments. Also, he’s not taking testosterone any longer, but it is a known fact that T-therapy, even when ceased, leaves muscle tissue more prone to hypertrophy, maybe for the proliferation of satellite cells during therapy.

I insist on muscle mass simply because most people me included, with a calorie level like his and plant-based would miserably go into a catabolic state.

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I would rather take as an example of a plant-based diet and a superlative musculature Torre Washington, who at least until a way back was not even taking plant protein isolates. But he surely is on the very top percentiles of muscle hypertrophy for a natural bodybuilder. Maybe naturally expressing high follistatin. I repeat: not on CR, not on longevity treatments, just lifting weights and following a natural vegan diet.

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#126

Those studies are on people taking supraphysiological levels of testosterone, he took TRT as it is, to have normal levels of testosterone. It won’t have any such effect beyond restoring normal muscle building, etc.

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#127

Those studies are on people taking supraphysiological levels of testosterone, he took TRT as it is, to have normal levels of testosterone. It won’t have any such effect beyond restoring normal muscle building, etc.

You are probably right, those dermal patches maybe didn’t cause much proliferation of satellite cells.
I must also clarify that I’m not opposed to the experiments Bryan is carrying out, with his money, on himself. They are very interesting.
What I believe though, back to the OP, is that his type of vegan regime is too extreme and probably by itself cannot constitute an example to follow for everyone.
Of course, we can conclude that in certain very controlled conditions, in certain individuals that regime is not necessarily deleterious but it can be advantageous.
If I should eat the same identical way he eats, by experience I know that my BMI (presently very similar to Bryan’s with similar adiposity) would plunge in a short time. And I just hate a plunging BMI!

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#128

Pretty sure the scientific consensus I’ve seen is that homo erectus was the one who started taking down the large animals of the time. And that was 2.5 million years ago.
our modern species is only 350k, of course. Homo erectus took down mamoths and a LOT of other super big game with spears and throwing spears and such. And those animals had a lot of fat… If you’re in winter and the plants are all dead or at least under the snow, well now fat sounds like a pretty solid source of calories doesn’t it? Hunter gatherers of THIS day almost worship meat. They spend most of their life planning out how to get it. The yanomami, the hadza - they’ll eat whatever they find but there’s nothing they prize more than meat! And who can blame them. When you bite steak off the t-bone… I mean that makes me wanna bark at the moon :slight_smile: That’s a feeling you just can’t deny ha ha. Be nice to the pretty animals if you like. But meat is the same thing as YOU. I’m not sure why aaanyone would think that eating something that’s wayyy different from you (plants can’t even move!) could possibly be more nutritious than eating something that’s almost identical to you… cite papers all you like. Biting meat off a bone is all the proof I need. But, you know. Feel free to live your life as you please. I just can’t deny the obvious things smacking me in the face.

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#129

I like a bloody filet as much as the next guy, but nothing in your rant addresses the question of whether plant protein is superior to animal protein for healthy aging.

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#130

You’re marketing it like cannibalism.

If it makes you want to bark at the moon, or if it’s similar to your body what you eat, then it’s superior of course.

#131

Don’t forget plant drugs are better than synthetics. Because Gaia or something like that

#132

Like I’ve said before. Carnivores are the new vegetarians.

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#133

I met a carnivore recently while shopping at Sprouts. Tbh she looked like accelerated biological age, but she was so nice so I just said that’s really interesting rather than offering a critique.

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#134

Probably partake way too much in your favorite activity: too much sun, but without sun screen “toxic and disrupts hormones”.

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#135

I must say @AnUser has a way with mischief. Although to his credit thats maybe an indication of youthfulness

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#136

if i read the other responses in this thread… umm… they’re not addressing it either :slight_smile:

and neither does the frickin study. That sentence may be in the title, but, umm, it’s epidemiology, right? You really wanna state somethin’ like that from some surveys you collected? Come on…

#137

We are an island of cells. That feeling of barking at the moon comes from us doing SOMEthing that those cells want. We may not understand what they want. But they certainly do. Dopamine hits mean “let’s tell this island that mistakenly thinks it is in control that he was a good boy - we want him to do THAT again!”. If you think your thought process is the only thing controlling you… Well… You’re wrong. Your thought process serves the needs of those cells you are an island of. The majority of your thought processes lean hard in the direction of “seek food” and “seek sex”… Your cells have been alive far longer than you (as an island) have been. They’ve been trained over a much longer timespan and know reality far better than you. They are fighting every second against death (and dieing for you and having children for you).

ok ok ok. Who knows what’s a better food. But I’ll rely more on that “barking at the moon” feeling than I will that shabby paper that some conglomerate paid for.

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#138

This argues for eating donuts and fries though.

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#139

Exactly. As the neurologist Stephen Guyenet logically points out in his book, ‘The hungry brain’, we have been originally designed for mere survival, so the hunters/gatherers optimize their search for caloric balance. Whatever food is best which minimizes expenditure and maximizes energy input.
As far as we know presently junk food is what satisfies better that neurological setup. Very cheap, extremely caloric.
So maybe when I 'm hearing barks in the night that’s not just dogs, maybe people after a stint in the local Burger King?

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#140

Yeah I can feel that. Once you’re in an especially large caloric deficit, you feel millions of years of evolution, the genetic heritage. Your “wanting” go through the roof. It doesn’t matter what you eat, except there is a clear preference for hyperpalatable, high calorie dense foods, whether it is fat or carbohydrates with a mix of protein.

At the same time eating excess can feel bad, so there is a balance to be made.