adriank
#158
@Dr.Bart
I do not stalk and chase 
I am obese by definition (BMI 36+) and turning 50. My CAC score is 0. My cholesterol level is not high, Trig 1.5mmol/L, HDL 1.1mmol/L and LDL 2.5mmol/L . BP range between 110/65 to 120/75. I always eat fried food… and love the taste of animal fat. The most exercise I do daily is my sauna and hot spa for 15mins each.
That said, since starting on Rapamycin, my HbA1C has steadily gone up, but probably because of my taste for chocolates and lollies. My lipids level hasn’t really moved. So I will cut out the ice cream and chocolate for the next 3 months.
AnUser
#159
You do realize once your CAC turns positive that means you have advanced disease? And that it’s not a good thing? Did you look at the graph and see the rate of positive CAC with age?
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adriank
#160
To be honest I have no idea how to read the CAC… my doctor tells me not to worry as my exercise cardio is fine.
AnUser
#161
CAC above 1 means you have calcified plaque… and advanced disease, plaque takes decades to develop which is why it’s important to do early prevention. So just because you have CAC 0 now doesn’t mean you will have the same in 10 or 20 years. The important part is delaying or possibly preventing it from becoming positive…
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Large amounts of meat that hadn’t been factory farmed with the accompanying hormones, antibiotics, stressors…
Jessica Thompson PhD, Assistant Professor of Anthropology at Yale University and ASU Institute of Human Origins alumna, shares new research about the origins of the human predatory pattern.
We began as meat eaters primarily “fat, fat, fat”. We were predators. We smashed bones with rocks to get at the fatty marrow.
UC Berkeley archaeologists:
An interesting theory on how ancient hunters could take down very large animals.
"Drawing upon multiple sources of writings and artwork, a team of archaeologists reviewed historical evidence from around the world about people hunting with planted spears.
Next, the team ran the first experimental study of stone weapons that focused on pike-hunting techniques, revealing how spears react to the simulated force of an approaching animal.
Once the sharpened rock pierced the flesh and activated its engineered mounting system, they say, the spear tip functioned like a modern-day hollow-point bullet and could inflict serious wounds."
We began as meat eaters primarily “fat, fat, fat”. We were predators.
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AnUser
#165
She never said either of those things. What she did say is that to get a surplus of calories, nothing magical in meat or fat, early hominids could scavenge and hunt for bone marrow. That says nothing about the modern human diet other than adequate calories is important. It’s quite delusional to make decisions on modern diet based on what some ancient ancestor from millions of years ago might’ve done. If someone wants to look for carcasses and eat the bone marrow, find fruits, eat insects, and so on, they can do so if they want. It’s going to be unhealthier than what is considered a healthy diet today.
It does make sense that we eat so much junk and want it so much, it is encoded in our DNA, so we have to use higher brain functions to make other decisions than “want (high calorie/sodium intensity) then eat that”
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Bicep
#166
But the ancestors were here doing that for hundreds of thousands of years and our bodies were optimized to use that food. The food we’re eating now has only been around for a few decades. Cheerios? Kibble!
I really enjoy watching Alone. It’s a great mental exercise for me. I just fast forward through the monologues when they’re getting inside their own heads and getting ready to quit. I spend a lot of time yelling at the TV. It’s the only show I can stand.
I have never said any diet is the best in any of my posts
Over the decades I have tried most diets, from Atkins to vegetarian.
Every person must decide what diet is the best for them based on age, goals, etc.
I don’t care where you get your protein; just don’t tell me that plant protein is superior. You have no proof of that. There are pros and cons for both.
As for the post with the video, I was just pointing out to doubters that our earliest ancestors ate a lot of meat and the video does indeed make a case for going after fat for sustained energy satiety, etc. because it did not require any special flint tools, etc. to extract the fat from the bone marrow, just a simple stone to crush the bone. And, yes, our early ancestors were primarily predators.
Neither the video nor I mentioned anything about what is the best diet.
You seem to take everything personally if it doesn’t agree with your thinking.
And since you like to make it personal, would l posit that my diet is probably better than yours.
I eat little to no fast foods, sugar, or refined carbs. I am an omnivore.
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AnUser
#168
And I am pointing out that it doesn’t matter how much bone marrow, meat, insects or fruit they were eating to influence modern day diet decisions. They ate whatever was available for calories.
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“A study of more than 400,000 people tracked for up to 24 years finds that those who got their dietary fat from plants versus animals had significantly lower odds of dying during the study period.”
MONDAY, Aug. 12, 2024 (HealthDay News) – A study of more than 400,000 people tracked for up to 24 years finds that those who got their dietary fat from plants versus animals had significantly lower odds of dying during the study period.
Plant-based fats’ benefit included a reduced odds for deaths due to heart disease, the research showed.
Conversely, the study “provides evidence that diets high in animal-based fats, including dairy and eggs, are associated with elevated risks of overall and cardiovascular disease mortality,” concluded a team led by Dr. Demetrius Albanes, of the U.S. National Cancer Institute.
Getting Fats From Plants Vs. Animals Boosts Your Life Span
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-08-12/getting-fats-from-plants-vs-animals-boosts-your-life-span
The study was published Aug. 12 in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine.
The Paywalled research paper:
August 12, 2024
Plant and Animal Fat Intake and Overall and Cardiovascular Disease Mortality
Key Points
Question What are the associations between dietary fats from plant and animal food sources and mortality in the US population?
Findings In this cohort study of 407 531 participants with 24 years of follow-up and nearly 190 000 deaths, greater plant fat intake was associated with lower overall and cardiovascular disease mortality, particularly fat from grains and vegetable oils, independent of other important mortality risk factors.
Meaning These findings provide detailed information about how increased intake of dietary fat from plant sources may help improve human health and related mortality outcomes.
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AnUser
#170
It looks like canola oil is a superfood, and we know saturated fat harms lots of different systems in the body. I think it was the liver, and of course lipids for many.
The case for plant fats is probably better than for plant protein.
hitch
#171
The conclusion of this study seems to be:
People that say they eat less animal fat have a slightly better survival rate than people that say they eat more animal fat.
Is there any baseline health data from the different groups (High Plant/Low Animal vs High Animal/Low Plant)?
Is there a reason to believe that the High Animal Fat group is likely to have more people with comorbidities (high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, etc.)? After all, I think we can assume that “plant people” are more likely to live a healthier lifestyle and have fewer medical issues. If that is the case, then pretty much any reasonable person would predict that the survival rate of the High Plant Oil group would be better than that of the High Animal Fat group.
I don’t see this study as being very useful (except to enforce bragging rights).
I’d like to see a study that does a comparison of two equally healthy (or unhealthy) cohorts. I personally think that if you are fit and healthy consuming animal fat is not an issue.
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AnUser
#173
How did only 4% have a significant value if the p-value is 0.05 (5%)?
Davin8r
#175
“40 of which indicated unprocessed red meat to reduce all-cause mortality and eight of which indicated red meat to increase mortality”
Very important that they were only looking at unprocessed red meat, not bacon/sausage/pepperoni and all forms of preserved/processed meat.
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adriank
#177
I think the problem today is over consumption. They really need to track people who don’t over eat. I enjoy eating animal fat. I normally crave them off the meat and cook them separately. But in doing that, I probably stop eating for the rest of the day if not the next.
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