Yes–I think that’s where all this hype started. Somehow, randomly(?) Tanganil (the OTC racemic version) was found to improve these sleep issues in people who didn’t have parkinson’s…yet?

But, though I have PD, I don’t have restless legs or RBD. I’m not complaining, but it means I have nothing to report on that front. Of course, I only started in the middle of January. “Quick results” could still be longer than that, no?

If you have a watch or whatever app that measures your sleep you might still be able to see improvements in scores even if you don’t have specific sleep-related conditions. It might be interesting to track that. (I don’t track sleep myself as it makes me more anxious :sweat_smile: )

Ha. My daughter has an oura ring and I am constantly trying to steal it from her and she is constantly not letting me. Maybe I’ll try guilt.

What would really be interesting would be a DaT scan, though it’s a touch invasive, I suppose.

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Patient-centered brain transcriptomic and multimodal imaging determinants of clinical progression, physical activity, and treatment needs in Parkinson’s disease 2025

a The top 10 drugs identified by upward perturbation of genes. The hypothetically therapeutic genes were discovered by increasing their expressions by 10% and observing the effect of disease progression within 2 years. The drugs were obtained by comparing the identified therapeutic genes with the transcriptomic effect of drugs from CMAP database. The drugs are ranked by the combined score (odds ratio × −log(p-value)).
b The top 10 drugs identified by downward perturbation of genes.

They don’t discuss rapa though but melatonin (poke @John_Hemming):

Current treatments for PD are symptomatic, hence the search for disease-modifying treatments addressing the underlying pathology is a priority. While the mainstay of PD treatments are dopamine-based drugs, their effectiveness largely varies with disease subtype and stage. Interestingly, among the top 20 putative PD drugs identified in our study, there are three dopamine-based drugs, including levodopa, the current first line treatment for PD (Fig. 5a, b). Even though dopamine-based drugs are considered symptomatic, our analysis does not preclude the identification of disease-modifying treatments, given the drugs were discovered through the genes underlying the disease’s multifactorial mechanisms. Moreover, due to the limited number of subjects, we performed the drug identification at the population level and could not determine which drugs may confer disease-modifying effects on distinct patient subtypes. Nevertheless, apart from dopamine-based drugs, we identified multiple immune-related and anti-inflammatory drugs, including naproxen (a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug) and tetracycline. Other drugs such as vinpocetine, chlorogenic acid and melatonin have also been reported to modulate inflammation. Although vinpocetine is typically prescribed for treating memory loss in aging and dementias (including PD patients with dementia), it has been demonstrated to regulate the circulation of inflammatory molecules in PD patients. Chlorogenic acid, found in coffee, is suggested to offer neuroprotective roles in animal models of PD. Similarly, melatonin, which may improve sleep disturbance in PD, has also been shown to reduce neuroinflammation66. The convergence of these medications on immune system/inflammation highlights the need to consider this pathway for drug discovery and repurposing.

On cholesterol they note:

The benefits of physical activity to PD symptoms and progression are widely acknowledged. Even though the biological mechanisms mediating these benefits are not fully understood, it has been hypothesized that physical activity may promote neuronal plasticity and survival of dopaminergic neurons by simulating the expression of neural growth factors. Here, we found that physical activity is associated with PD through two principal pathways, namely, cholesterol biosynthesis and inflammation via toll-like receptors. A previous study of animal model of PD showed that MPTP-bearing mouse had reduced α-synuclein and downregulation of toll-like receptors after eight weeks of treadmill exercise. Although the results on the association of cholesterol with PD are mixed, several PD-related genes are involved in cholesterol homeostasis. Moreover, cholesterol biosynthesis has been shown to decrease in the fibroblasts of PD patients. The most compelling insights into the tripartite association between PD, cholesterol and physical activity was demonstrated recently. The authors found that physical activity activates PPARα in the dopaminergic neurons of PD mouse model. Activation of PPRAα alone suppressed the aggregation and spreading of α-synuclein in the mouse. As PPRAα is a transcription factor that regulates the expression of genes involved in fatty acid oxidation, the mouse was treated with fenofibrate, a PPRAα medication for abnormal cholesterol level. The authors observed that one month of daily treatment with fenofibrate conferred similar benefits as two months of regular exercise. Despite that our analysis does not rule out the bidirectional relationship between PD and physical activity, our results are consistent with the foregoing studies. However, the mode and intensity of exercise remains an open question. A meta-analysis of 19 randomized human clinical trials showed that different modes and regimens of exercise provide different forms of benefits to PD symptoms. Indeed, our findings could guide a more personalized prescription of physical activity in PD, tailored to individual biological mechanisms and associated predisposition. Perhaps, leisure-related activities (likely shorter duration, higher intensity) would be more beneficial to patients having abnormal cholesterol levels while home- or work-related activities (likely repetitive and lower intensity) could help with neuroinflammation-induced PD pathogenesis. Furthermore, personalized physical activity regimen can be prescribed by comparing the gene-neuroimaging parameters of a patient with the parameters of other patients who have benefited from a particular exercise regimen.

Melatonin is the mitochondrial antioxidant. Large amounts of melatonin hold back the development clock.

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Association of 25-hydroxyvitamin D with Parkinson’s disease based on the results from the NHANES 2007 to 2018 and Mendelian randomization analysis 2025

In conclusion, this research suggested that serum 25(OH)D levels was not correlated with PD risk. Additionally, the MR analyses revealed no significant causal association between serum 25(OH)D levels and PD risk at the genetic level. Awareness of these findings may improve personalized prevention and treatment of PD.

Poke @DrFraser: vitamin D is definitely useless in PD.

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One more piece of the puzzle for cholesterol and PD: The cholesterol 24-hydroxylase CYP46A1 promotes α-synuclein pathology in Parkinson’s disease 2025

Thus, elevated CYP46A1 and 24-OHC promote neurotoxicity and the spread of α-Syn via the XBP1–LAG3 axis. Strategies aimed at inhibiting the CYP46A1-24-OHC axis and LAG3 could hold promise as disease-modifying therapies for PD.

Press: Scientists Just Found a Cholesterol Clue That Could Change Parkinson’s Treatment

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If only looking at PD, this may end up being correct. If looking at the whole set of health risks, which, I’ll argue is the best approach, having an optimal Vitamin D level would seem prudent.

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I would agree with @DrFraser on this. I think Vitamin D is good for general health, but is not something that particularly helps with diseases of Aging (in which I include PD)

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But what is the optimal?

Trends of serum 25(OH) vitamin D and association with cardiovascular disease and all-cause mortality: from NHANES survey cycles 2001–2018 2024

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We adjusted for multiple variables using 25.0–49.9 nmol/L subgroup as the reference standard for all-cause mortality. The results showed that the hazard ratio (HR) and 95% confidence interval (CI) were 1.48 (1.18–1.86) for the <25 nmol/L group, 0.74 (0.68–0.81) for the 50–74.9 nmol/L group and 0.66 (0.60–0.73) for the ≥75 nmol/L group (Supplementary material S11).

75 nmol/L = 30 ng/mL

That’s the optimal apparently. I can’t find evidence that going above brings significant benefits.

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There’s also the RCT showing that vitamin D supplement increase mortality (taken once a month), at 2000 iu a day average.

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I think all cause mortality is a sensible end point. As much as there is data that looks like higher values are beneficial in CAD or Dementia Risk.
Here is one article that looks somewhat similar, but listing a higher level optimal for dementia risk of 77.5-100 nmol/L - so 31-40 ng/mL.

Thanks for persisting on this, I’ll modify my protocol!

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Are these studies adjusted for age?

The one I posted is.

Looking at the paper:

According to the subgroup analysis of sex and age, the serum 25(OH)D concentration in the ≥60-year-old (p < 0.001 for trend) and female (p < 0.001 for trend) populations also showed an upward trend. Conversely, in the cohort aged 20–39 years, the exhibited a decreasing serum 25(OH)D concentration decreased trajectory from 66.2 nmol/L (95% CI, 64.3–68.1 nmol/L) in 2001–2002 to 61.9 nmol/L (95% CI, 59.1–64.8 nmol/L) in 2017–2018 (p < 0.002 for trend; Table 2).

I have had a good look through and it does not appear to adjust the chart reported by age. However, I have not spent a lot of time on this and may be wrong.

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That’s not at all what those papers show.
I don’t know why @adssx only showed the unadjusted model but it’s not at all what the better models which are adjusted for confounders show.
Here is the full picture. As you can see, higher serum vitamin D is better in all the adjusted models.

BTW the paper you cited also shows similar L shaped plots:

Basically too low vitamin D is universally bad while higher levels are neutral or trending better

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  1. It’s vitamin D.
  2. For all-cause mortality the adjusted charts are B and C. And higher is not better. It’s just the same and the optimal is ≥75 nmol/L group as noted in the quote I gave.
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I would say that it is clear that deficiency is bad. There is, however, uncertainty as to whether higher levels are better. If they are there is a marginal benefit.

I do wonder in this about cholecalciferol. There have been bolus monthly tests which have found no benefit and that will not have been adjusted for.

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Which paper? (20 char limit)

It was:

In this study, we developed three models: Model 1, a correlation between the serum 25(OH)D concentration and all-cause mortality without adjusting for covariates; Model 2, an adaptation of Model 1 with the inclusion of significant demographic and socioeconomic covariates; and Model 3, an extension of Model 2 with the addition of pertinent medical and lifestyle covariates. In the mortality sensitivity analysis, age -related structural variances were assessed using the standard set by the 2000 US Census population, and participants with less than 2 years of follow-up were omitted to mitigate reverse causality. For mortality correlation analysis, we stratified the serum vitamin D concentrations into four quartiles. The data were analyzed using R software (Version: 4.2.0), for which a p-value of <0.05 indicated statistical significance. We stratified the data by sex and separately investigated the relationship between serum 25(OH)D levels and mortality rates in male and female.
Model 1, without adjusting covariates; Model 2, adjusting for covariates such as age, education level, PIR, sex, and race; Model 3, adjusted for include Model 2 covariates and disease history, as well as covariates such as smoking and alcohol consumption.
Standard questionnaires were used to obtain covariates such as age, sex, race/ethnicity, education attainment, poverty income ratio (PIR), smoking status, physical activity, and health status. Anthropometric data such as body weight and height, as well as alcohol consumption data, were obtained from mobile centers.