Joseph: I would be glad to pay! But you have already started the regimen. If there are any effects on microbiome they may be rapid and it will be a bit late for testing.

If DAV works it will be worth any side effects on the microbiome many times over, but the dangers of these can be real, even if (mostly?) reversible over time…

I don´t know if the research showing gut bacteria being wiped out from tetracyclines (doxy is one) impacts everyone (see at the end of this post) or a minority. Doxycycline Reviews & Ratings - Drugs.com shows about 30% reporting (considerable) side effects. Unknown whether more could have unreported or unknown and presumably not severe microbiome changes.

What appears important is to take probiotics during and after antibiotics.

What You Should Eat During and After Antibiotics (healthline.com). “research shows that taking probiotics while or after you’re taking antibiotics can help preserve the bacterial diversity of your gut. It also [seems to reduce the amount of [antibiotic-resistant genes in your gut (Antibiotics Diarrhea: Causes, Treatment, and Prevention)

(Prescribing an antibiotic? Pair it with probiotics - PMC)
[(Europe PMC)

Conclusion. Addition of probiotics to antibiotic interventions seems to preserve alpha diversity and ameliorate the changes to gut microbial composition caused by antibiotic interventions”. However, “Probiotic co-administration with antibiotics seemed to prevent some, but not all, of the gut microbial diversity and composition changes induced by antibiotics, including restoration of health-related bacteria such as Faecalibacterium prausnitzii”.

The research above seems to be based on probiotic supplements. I don´t find research on natural probiotics and antibiotic use, but these are for general health purposes stronger and better than supplements and my guess is that they should be better for antibiotic use too. Perhaps they can restore all of gut microbial diversity? (Top 5 Reasons Sauerkraut Outperforms Probiotic Supplements ~ Tara Bianca)

Sauerkraut (fermented, non-pasteurized cabbage) and kimchi belong to the strongest probiotics; yogurt may be fine too, but is weaker. The dangers of microbiome changes would not prevent me from starting DAV, but I would take high-quality sauerkraut continuously, a few times per day, , and for a considerable time after the end of DAV. A table spoon each time (starting with a teaspoon for a beginner). It may be overkill, but to feel safer, I might add the highest-quality probiotic supplement. Sauerkraut (+ supplement) to be taken about four hours after a dose of antibiotic, since this can kill the bacteria of the probiotic.

PREbiotic, high-fiber foods to feed the beneficial gut bacteria is important to eat.

On the microbiome effects of antibiotics

In a recent study published in the journal Nature, an international research team based primarily in Germany looked at how 144 antibiotics commonly used in humans impact our gut health. Most importantly, they found that two classes of antibiotics — tetracyclines and macrolides — create “collateral damage” by wiping out good bacteria in the gut, leaving it open to gastrointestinal ailments and recurring infections from a type of bacteria known as Clostridioides difficile (C. diff).

Another study, on mice and not specifically on tetracyclines:

The effect of antibiotics on the gut microbiome: a metagenomics analysis of microbial shift and gut antibiotic resistance in antibiotic treated mice | BMC Genomics | Full Text (biomedcentral.com)

Results these findings were the result of a 3-day treatment regimen in experimental animals.

After treatment, each antibiotic produced increased relative abundance in different species but also shared a large common list of species that were eradicated or undetectable after treatment

There is a longitudinal decrease of gut microbiota diversity after antibiotic treatment. Various ARGs (antibiotic resistance genes) are enriched within the gut microbiota despite an overall reduction of the diversity and total amount of bacteria after antibiotic treatment… .

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I got my water kefir grains yesterday and I’m going to start the activation process so it’s ready by the time my order arrives. I normally eat dairy based homemade yogurt but I plan to switch to water kefir during DAV just to make sure the dairy isn’t interacting with the antibiotics. I’m also leaning towards taking florastor while doing DAV just because my usual habit has been to take it anytime I’m on antibiotics and it seems helpful to me.

@Joseph, why: “100mg Doxycycline 3x a day once every 8 hour”??

“For 5 weeks, azithromycin was administered at 250 mg twice weekly, doxycycline at 100 mg twice daily, and vitamin C at 500 mg once daily”

What was your thinking to bump it up to 3X/day?

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“Eradicating” a lager amount of cell{with small ribosomes, as this is the target of the doxycycline.]

*…“as a consequence, induces mitochondrial biogenesis.”…

I agree with the view, concept and opinions in the published papers.

If you have not, review all the Professor Lisanti videos posted.

In my view the man is the real deal, he is not selling anything. You can tell by the way he presents himself he knows in detail what he is speaking about…

And I will post again.

“This is a no brainer.”

Review the papers, patent and videos.

At a cost of less than $50.00 for 5 week/35 days.

“If you wait until you are ready, it is almost certainly too late.”
~Seth Godin

“I am not the waiting type”
~Joseph

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@Joseph Coul you clarify how much vitamin C you’re taking?

BTW, thanks for all your work on this topic.

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2.4g per dose of Vitamin C , that is 2.4g of Vitamin C approximately every 4 hours after taking the doxycycline or the azithromycin.

1g of Ascorbyl Palmitate {2x 500mg capsules, Bestvite brand.]

Bestvite label:

1.4 g of Liposomal Vitamin C {2x 700mg capsules, Adora Organics brand.]

Adora Organics label

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Finished Week 2 of DAV - I definitely had gut issues and headaches for a couple of days this week, feeling better now, wonder if this side effect from the removal of senescent cells?

This week plan to double up on pre and probiotics continue with my ketogenic diet, exercise and sleep routine in week 3!

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Interesting study on antibiotics use in cancer “The cancer cells show high sensitivity to these antibiotics, so we can now look to repurpose them to treat cancer instead of bacterial infections."

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I’m following you and about to to start my own DAV journey. Very much appreciate your log and sharing your experience :blush:

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Great! First week easy, second week a couple of days of flu like symptoms started to think this was not normal but gave it a couple of days and now feel great! Getting ready for a long run fasted! I will not really know until I get my bloodwork back after the test in a couple of weeks. Good luck! :+1:

***noted- one oddity is my HRV during the days I had a headache went up significantly (Oura ring) today back to normal today (no headache)

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As of today 10/08/2023 no side effects.

My 5 weeks/ 35 day treatment will end the end of October, 2023

As I posted before, the only thing I notice is less knee joint pain.

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Ironic that at a time when we are finding new uses for antibiotics, the federal government is trying to decrease antibiotics use.

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Headaches are expected in some patients using doxycycline.

Doxycycline (Oral Route) Precautions - Mayo Clinic.

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I finally have all my supplies for the DAV. Apparently the azithromycin and doxycycline has been at my local post office for nine days unbeknownst to me and I finally figured it out went in person to picked it up. I’m feeling positive about this one but don’t have any specific reason other than a gut feeling.

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I really want to try it too, but it is the harvest now and I can’t afford to get sick. I look forward to hearing how it goes for you all.

I really really would rather use the Doxy Myr. I’d like to give it to my daughter as well who is using it for her cancer. She’s consulted a bunch of people that really don’t know the dosage either. We don’t want to use too much and cause unnecessary discomfort. Doxy Myr sounded like a no-brainer.

I would think the Chinese would be making it, or the Indians. I see why it’s not being done here. The profit would be small, and liability large.

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I am a sucker for a new movement so I jumped in on this one too. I figured I had everything on hand and take doxy with my rapa dose anyway. So why not? Day 2 out of 37, nothing to report except some very mild GI disturbances that could be placebo or unrelated. Giddy up DAV!!! Wohoo. :facepunch:

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No, I do not think so.

You are a person who thinks and follows;

“If you wait until you are ready, it is almost certainly too late.”
~Seth Godin

*You are not the waiting type

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[quote=“Bicep, post:120, topic:9619”].

…“Doxy Myr sounded like a no-brainer.”…
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Started a separate thread on “Doxycycline Myr.”

A Myristoyl Amide Derivative of Doxycycline

Taking two antibiotics based on a patent and not published clinical research is not a no brainer. Any possible negative effect on the microbiome aside, azitromycin is associated with an increased risk of sudden cardiovascular death.

During 5 days of therapy, patients taking azithromycin, as compared with those who took no antibiotics, had an increased risk of cardiovascular death (hazard ratio, 2.88; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.79 to 4.63; P<0.001) and death from any cause (hazard ratio, 1.85; 95% CI, 1.25 to 2.75; P=0.002). Patients who took amoxicillin had no increase in the risk of death during this period. Relative to amoxicillin, azithromycin was associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular death (hazard ratio, 2.49; 95% CI, 1.38 to 4.50; P=0.002) and death from any cause (hazard ratio, 2.02; 95% CI, 1.24 to 3.30; P=0.005), with an estimated 47 additional cardiovascular deaths per 1 million courses; patients in the highest decile of risk for cardiovascular disease had an estimated 245 additional cardiovascular deaths per 1 million courses. The risk of cardiovascular death was significantly greater with azithromycin than with ciprofloxacin but did not differ significantly from that with levofloxacin.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1003833

A stopped clinical trial with Azitromycin showed an increase risk of cancer relapse and death for people undergoing stem cell transplants:

Researchers in France identified this increased risk of cancer relapse and death while conducting a clinical trial investigating the effectiveness of long-term azithromycin to prevent bronchiolitis obliterans syndrome in patients who undergo donor, or allogenic, stem cell transplants for cancers of the blood and lymph nodes.

The researchers stopped the ALLOZITHRO1 trial approximately 13 months after the study completed enrollment of 480 patients because an unexpected increase in the rate of both cancer relapses and death was observed in patients taking azithromycin. Cancer relapse was observed in 77 patients (32.9%) with azithromycin treatment compared to 48 patients (20.8%) with placebo, which is an inactive treatment. A total of 95 patients died in the azithromycin treatment group versus 66 patients in the placebo group; thus, the 2-year survival rate was 56.6% in azithromycin-treated patients compared to 70.1% in those receiving a placebo. In the first few months of the trial, the death rate was about equal between those receiving azithromycin and placebo. However, an imbalance occurred subsequently and continued until the 2-year time point when the study was stopped.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-warns-about-increased-risk-cancer-relapse-long-term-use-azithromycin-zithromax-zmax-antibiotic

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FWIW

If you locate or have it manufacturer{the Myristoyl Amide Derivative of Doxycycline] I would start with 20mg dose. Which should be equivalent to 100mg of doxycycline according to the published paper.

Try contacting the authors of the paper posted at;