So I sautéed the hydrated mushrooms (and liquid) with some spices, and rendered down to a thick sauce with a teaspoon of starch. Put some grass fed beef over top, drizzled some high oleocanthal EVOO. Side of whole head roasted cauliflower with yogurt, pistacchio, and goji berries. Plain wilted spinach not shown.

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This has nothing to do with mushrooms but there are two studies showing that lkm512 yogurt/probiotic makes mice live >=85% longer, exceeding rapamycin. There’s a video with references to the paper at Doubling human lifespan LKM512 spermidine - YouTube

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FWIW

The video link is over 10 years old.

The “lkm512” strain is BB12 rebranded/renamed by another supplier.

BB12 is the “The world’s most documented Bifidobacterium

See;

Attached is document about BB12.

The-science-behind-BB-12.pdf (764.0 KB)

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Well that was certainly a soft porn sell. :sweat_smile:

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Which supplements have this? Can anyone link to an Amazon or iHerb product? I have been looking for a good probiotic.

More related research:

“Searching for a Longevity Food, We Bump into Hericium erinaceus Primordium Rich in Ergothioneine: The ‘Longevity Vitamin’ Improves Locomotor Performances during Aging”

Particularly, H. erinaceus primordium (He2) extract contains a high amount of Ergothioneine (ERGO), the longevity vitamin. Herein, we revealed the preventive effect of ERGO-rich He2 extract in a preclinical model, focusing on locomotor decline during ageing monitored through spontaneous behavioral test. This effect was accompanied by a significant decrease in some oxidative stress markers (NOS2, COX2) paralleled by an increase in P53, showed in cerebellar cortex cells and fibres by immunohistochemistry. In summary, we demonstrated the neuro-protective and preventive effects of He2 extract during aging, probably due to its peculiarly high ERGO content.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/ergothioneine

Another commonly used mushroom in East Asian countries is Hericium erinaceus. It is an edible mushroom with medicinal value, which is also known as Lion’s Mane Mushroom or Hou Tou Gu in Chinese or Yamabushitake in Japanese.

Polysaccharides extract of H. erinaceus has significant anticancer and immunomodulation activities. It enhanced T cells and macrophages secretion and enhanced the expression of cytokines

It has the ability to prevent the impairments of spatial short-term and visual recognition memory induced by β-amyloid peptide in animals [99]. Daily oral administration of H. erinaceus could promote nerve regeneration after injury in rats

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Article has a table of ergothioneine content of mushrooms. Highest is in oyster mushrooms (Pleurotus cornucopiae) , not porcini (boletus edulis).

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Sources for the information presented in the above video:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3924982/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3449638/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4583117/

https://hrcak.srce.hr/file/52615

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5237458/

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/biomedres/40/4/40_125/_pdf/-char/en

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bpb/31/9/31_9_1727/_pdf/-char/en

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I have been down this rabbit hole before. One of the main constituents of Lion Mane Mushroom is Ergothioneine. " However, recent studies have suggested that its low bioavailability in the brain following oral administration, limits its usage and in long term, leads to liver damage." That is why it is not in my supplement stack.

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I downloaded the full article, and searched for the phrase “liver damage”, and below is what is written:

“The phenolic compound, curcumin is known for its anti-ageing properties
(Lee et al., 2010). However, recent studies have suggested that its low
bioavailability in the brain following oral administration, limits its
usage and in long term, leads to liver damage (Qiu et al., 2016).
Currently, EGT is gaining more attention for its anti-ageing properties.
Past studies have shown that despite possessing hydrophilic properties,
EGT is highly distributed in the brain due to the presence of a specific
transporter that enables it to cross the BBB (Ishimoto and Kato, 2022). A
pharmacokinetic analysis reveals that after oral administration of EGT,
it is distributed to the gastrointestinal tract, followed by the liver and
that hepatic blood flow is responsible for the ubiquitous distribution of
EGT to other organs which express OCTN1, including the brain (Kato
et al., 2010). To the best of our knowledge, EGT is highly retained in
body tissues and excreted out from the body at a slow rate (Cheah et al.,
2017) implying a more sustained function unlike other polyphenols
(suggested as an antioxidant) which are rapidly metabolized and
excreted out from the body.”

Page 2, bottom left column , to page 2 top right.

The citation points to Qiu, and the entry says

Qiu, P., Man, S., Li, J., Liu, J., Zhang, L., Yu, P., Gao, W., 2016. Overdose intake of
curcumin initiates the unbalanced state of bodies. J. Agric. Food Chem. 64 (13),
2765–2771. https://doi.org/10.1021/acs.jafc.6b00053.
Reddy, H.P., Reddy, P.T., 2011.

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I did the search out of the abundance of caution, because I take three grams of powdered oyster mushrooms daily.

These studies are reassuring:

“L-egt with or without metformin reduced liver hypertrophy, liver injury, triglycerides, oxidative stress, and inflammation.”

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Ergothioneine (ET) is a natural antioxidant.

L-ergothioneine is a form of ergothioneine that is synthesized in the lab and used as a dietary supplement. It is a more stable form of ergothioneine

Lion’s mane mushrooms do not contain the L-ergothioneine form of ergothioneine.

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The mushroom itself seems to be beneficial, without need to resort to the synthetic ERG.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/ergothioneine

"Another commonly used mushroom in East Asian countries is Hericium erinaceus. It is an edible mushroom with medicinal value, which is also known as Lion’s Mane Mushroom or Hou Tou Gu in Chinese or Yamabushitake in Japanese. Polysaccharides extract of H. erinaceus has significant anticancer and immunomodulation activities. It enhanced T cells and macrophages secretion and enhanced the expression of cytokines [99]. In animal studies, H. erinaceus exerted hypolipidemic effects by reducing plasma total cholesterol, LDL, and triglyceride and hepatic HMG-CoA reductase activity [99].

Hericium erinaceus reports to have activities related to nerve and brain health. The polysaccharides of H. erinaceus can induce neuronal differentiation and promote neuronal survival. It has the ability to prevent the impairments of spatial short-term and visual recognition memory induced by β-amyloid peptide in animals [99]. Daily oral administration of H. erinaceus could promote nerve regeneration after injury in rats [100].

The neuroprotective effect on human was demonstrated. A double-blind, parallel-group, placebo-controlled trial was performed on 30 Japanese (age 50–80 years old) with mild cognitive impairment. The subjects took four Yamabushitake-containing tablets (each contained 96% of H. erinaceus) or placebo tablets three times a day for 16 weeks. The intervention group showed significantly increased scores on the cognitive function scale (Revised Hasegawa Dementia Scale (HDS-R)) compared with the placebo group (p<0.001). The scores decreased at week 4 after the termination. This study suggested the effectiveness of H. erinaceus in the prevention or the treatment of dementia and cognitive dysfunction [101]."

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More good news on Ergothionine:

L-Ergothioneine slows the progression of age-related hearing loss in CBA/CaJ mice

Highlights

  • L-ergothioneine (EGT) treatments on age-related hearing loss were investigated.

  • Hearing measures improved in males with the EGT treatment, but not in females.

  • Biomarker measures indicated reductions in cochlear inflammation and apoptosis.

  • EGT blood levels were correlated with auditory system benefits in males.

  • In sum, EGT can attenuate the progression of age-linked hearing loss in aging males.

Paywalled paper:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378595524000571

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I did a podcast episode with the founder of Real Mushrooms brand. He says some mushroom supplements use the mushroom “roots” which are mixed in with the grain it was grown on. Look for the fruiting body. If you add some iodine to the “mushroom” powder it will turn black if it contains starch.

I am not affiliated but have enjoyed their products off and on.

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Joe - please just post it if you seee its relevant. It took me a while to find it:

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Sorry. I’ll do so in the future.

The mushroom topic in particular is a good one. Mushrooms are the fruit of fungi, which are very unusual creatures. A fungus is not a plant; a fungus breathes oxygen.

Anyone here familiar with the sci-fi novel Hothouse?

Had totally missed this thread until I saw:

Fascinating area.

(For what it is worth, not discussed above is that this is also a big component of the Blueprint Longevity diet that the team around Bryan Johnson put together.)

Adding @DrFraser and @adssx as there are potential neuroprotective benefits that you might want to look into, see for example:


https://spotify.localizer.co/t/mushrooms-on-my-mind-ergothionine-erinacines-hericenones-etc/2308/13?u=neo

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Real Mushrooms has a product that I’m going to try.

Ergo+ L-Ergothioneine

Amount Per capsule
L-Ergothioneine … 5mg
Oyster mushroom extract … 250mg
Shiitake mushroom extract … 250mg

1-2 capsules per day.

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