My friend Laurence Ion of VitaDAO just posted about plans to set up a permanent city dedicated to longevity, similar to the Zuzalu and Vitalia popup cities. Problem is they need a location for the city, some location that is open to a special jurisdiction favoring longevity developments.
There is a huge price of 1 million dollars for whoever finds a good location and also prices for referrals (even second or third degree referrals), so if any of you guys have good ideas or know anyone that is connected to a country leader then you might be able to help and get part of the price. More info here:
Personally I think itās exciting to see a permanent longevity city rise somewhere. Zuzalu was very cool in my experience. I hope they find a good location.
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amuser
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Greenland. Seriously. Make it happen!
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Bicep
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But you have to live there?
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Dali, Yunnan province, China, already autonomous prefecture (!), good elevation (2090m) for longevity, good air, excellent climate (always spring). I hopefully can go there anyway. Where is my money?
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I would pick one of the abandoned Greek or Italian cities. The infrastructure is already there. Just there arenāt enough people!
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Nobody will be forced to live there of course, but the idea is to create a place where people want to live together on maybe a semi-permanent basis to work on and support longevity.
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Japan is also an option. There are many vacant buildings and homes in the rural areas where the people who lived there died and thereās no one willing to move in as their population is decreasing. Japan is cheap and has good food and the Japanese have the second longest lifespans of any population.
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One of the arguments for vitalia etc is to reduce regulation. I dont personally see regulation as a block to progress. Furthermore places like japan and the EU have a pretty standard regulatory environment.
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KarlT
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Iām not sure I see the point? With our current technology and people located all over the world interested in longevity? Letās put the efforts into research and communication.
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It seems it might be helpful to define the characteristics you absolutely need, and then secondary factors that would be nice to have, as part of this target location.
For example, you probably want to be in a climate that people would want to live in (or would attract people from other countries without too much sacrificeā¦ so countries like Iceland or Greenland would be out of consideration). Additionally, you may need to be close to a major metropolitan area / airports for travel convenience and resource access (think lab equipment), etc.
It would be good to have a prioritized list so people focus their efforts and donāt waste your time.
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From lifespan.io
Laurence Ion will lead Viva City, which will concentrate on building a city within a special regulatory zone governed by its residents, to accelerate medical innovation and extend healthy lifespan.
Niklas Anzinger will head Infinita City, which will concentrate on special regulatory zones as a path to acceleration.
The reason they want to do this is to have a different regulatory environment. Biohacking creates its own regulatory environment as people have the right to make their own decisions.
Vitalia in Honduras suffered from a lack of rule of law in the sense that the agreement that established it then failed through government action. I donāt know what the background to this was, however.
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Looking at one of the websites (viva city)
The Special Jurisdiction must have high autonomy:
- Custom civil law & regulations
- Custom tax policy
- Custom dispute resolution
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lin
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I would suggest somewhere in Switzerland, due to their Mutual Recognition Agreements for pharmaceutical licensing with the US and EU that would make it easier to get prospective treatments to the international market. The Swiss have long been associated with neutrality, which could make the prospective city better for drawing international collaboration and funding from the BRICS than other Western cities. The country is welcoming to expats with great ski resorts.
Winterthur seems like the natural choice as an affordable, high tech industrial hub close to the capital.
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What they are looking for is ālessā regulation. I can understand that in the sense that the regulatory processes put quite a heavy burden cost wise on research.
However, I personally donāt agree that the big issue is the cost of regulation. There is not a long list of interventions that people cannot try because of regulation.
Switzerland will have much like the medical research regulation of the US or the EU.
To make this work financially they probably need āCustom tax policyā.
Having their own judicial system in the sense of āCustom dispute resolutionā is pushing it really.
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Yes, it definitely needs a good climate to attract people.
In many countries it is, particularly if youāre looking into taking cutting edge things. Also the issue with regulation is not just about having access to therapies, itās also about developing and approving them faster. It takes forever to get a drug through the traditional approval process and get it on the market.
Switzerland is probably a good idea, although the high cost of living there might be a problem. I imagine the city will among others have some digital nomads and people working remotely and to attract such people the place canāt be too expensive.
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I remember reading about floating cities in the 90s. Probably completely impractical, but I think they made progress with the French Polynesian Government.
I think it stalled out in 2017. Some of the groundwork seems as if itās already been laid downā¦
There might be something in it though. Iām not sure what the cost would be, but if youāre going to build a city anyway, French Polynesia wouldnāt be a bad location.
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Pat25
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I would certainly not pick Europe. Regulations are tight, EU-regulations have been tightened in various areas, and this trend is likely going to continue. Never mind the significant amount of bureaucracy.
Of course there is still a significant difference between different member states in how tightly regulations are implemented and the amount of bureaucracy. But these differences will likely continue to narrow, given the EUās focus on greater integration and standardization.
vongehr
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Important not only what you are allowed to take, but what you may have to. You already forgot that they forced people to take mRNA that makes their bodies produce spike proteins for the rest of their life, increasing the likelihood of clot related problems such as stroke, heart attack, ā¦ cutting years of expected lifespan? I was in China the whole time, did not even have to do a single covid test, am still a āpure bloodā. Nor did they ever lock me down by the way. So, I stay with my proposal. Dali in Yunnan it is. Donāt fear the propaganda - everything is possible in China, and ācustom dispute resolutionā is the norm.
Thatās a much much smaller problem. Iāve never really been forced to take anything as an adult, but I have been unable to take lots of things in my life that I would have wanted to take. The lockdowns were forced on me, and that wasnāt nice. But thatās another issue.
You should stop spreadiing such misinformation. You clearly donāt know what youāre talking about! The mRNA vaccines do not cause you to produce spike proteins for the rest of your life, that just silly. They only cause you to produce them for a short while after the vaccine administration, and the spike protein production from the vaccine is far lower than what you geet from getting infected with COVID. Not only that, but almost all of the exposure is concentrated in your deltoid muscle, if the vaccine is correctly administered (by aspirating the needle). In contrast, when you get infected with COVID, the spike protein spreads all around the body in usually much greater amounts. Here is how much spike protein you get overall from different things:
Getting infected with COVID when unvaccinated > Getting infected with COVID while being vaccinated > Getting vaccinated
With respect to minimiing spike protein exposure, the only thing thatās better than getting vaccinated is to not get vaccinated and not get COVID. Since not getting COVID is unreaslistic, the best option to minimize spike protein exposure is to get vaccinated, before you catch COVID. The largest exposure is by getting COVID while not being vaccinated. So you people that avoided the vaccines to avoid the spike protein are ironically the ones that likely got exposed to most of the spike protein. I didnāt like taking the vaccines, but they were still statistically the best option for health IMO for everyone that is bound to be exposed to the virus.
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