#456

I wish this was me. I can add layers upon layers of fat with little or no effort at all :joy:

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#457

Well, when you reach 84 and are still active, you must be doing something right. :laughing:
What gives me pause is reading about the death of a famous person younger than me who has money and access to high-end medical counsel. It’s almost like survivor’s remorse. As for @Stan, his BMI is ~22.5 which is in the healthy range.
The adverse effects of low BMI are because of the confounding effects of cancer, etc in the elderly. Interestingly my observation, because I associate mostly with the elderly, other than my family, is that I see a lot higher percentage of overweight older ladies than I do men. I see no overweight men my age at the gym.

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#458

Apparently, no expert in these matters but I am a bit puzzled how a 6-foot dude weighing only 148lbs would have a BMI of 22. If true, then that’s good enough, or that’s fat enough. I also agree that it is beyond me that in this day and age (any info you’d like is one click away) and you still hear people dropping dead at 50, or 60 or even 70.

#459

Indeed “cachexia” is a word I only recently became aware of.

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#460

Give me as much cachexia as possible please :joy::joy:

#461

Here is a repost of the challenge statistics:

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#462
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#463

I ordered mine in China, Can give you the contact details. Generally try to avoid buying any supplements and medicines from China, but did not have an alternative source

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#464

Do you think it’s legit? If so, please message me the details. Thank you!

#465

WRT cachexia, when it happened to my cats, my vet told me – correctly – that they would die soon after. I gather it tends to be a symptom of impending death.

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#466

Interestingly one way of treating cachexia is fasting and it might be from an evolutionary perspective that the reason the body goes into cachexia is an attempt to create the situation of calorie restriction.

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#467

Ouch, thought it was a good thing. helps lose weight lol. In that case it can stay with cats and dogs, don’t want any. :joy:

#468

Short Attia video on the true reason for muscle decline.

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#469

I listened to that podcast but already forgot much of it.

#470

On the topic of protein, I found the concepts outlined in this podcast by Dr. Burd much more reasonable and in line with experience and research.
A huge amount of protein, as supported by Peter Attia, is a very cautious upper bound, which actually can be disruptive to digestive health. Protein optimization is another issue. Many years ago, Peter Attia spoke about optimization, now he has drifted into protein maximization, which he can afford since he keeps training like a madman.

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#471

Interestingly my observation, because I associate mostly with the elderly, other than my family, is that I see a lot higher percentage of overweight older ladies than I do men. I see no overweight men my age at the gym.

Is that because the overweight men already died?

I think my mom’s assisted living tracks with that (more overweight women than men) but to some extent this reflects the sad reality that there are a lot more women than men in the facility.

I’m pretty sure I’m the oldest guy in my gym. It’s all 20- and 30-somethings lifting crazy huge amounts of weight… and me.

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#472

Here is my progress (or lack thereof) report after 5 months of effort to gain 5 lbs of muscle mass.

  • Lost 8 pounds instead of gaining 5 pounds of body weight
  • Lost size in right and left biceps instead of gaining ¼ inch
  • Maintained chest size instead of gaining ¼ inch.

Very interestingly, I made significant strength gains in curls, pullups, triceps extensions, in fact every resistance exercise. I was impressed and smug with my improving performance but neglected to take measurements or track my bodyweight.

I didn’t take any testosterone enhancer after the first few weeks of tongkat ali and enclomiphene.

I meant to keep up cardio exercise but let that suffer so I could put more effort into weightlifting.

I thought I was increasing protein and caloric intake but greatly underestimated the effect of prioritizing glucose control. I should have believed it when my belt kept getting looser.

I feel certain that if I had paid more attention to calories and protein intake, the strength gains would have been reflected in muscle size.

Generally the contest was an incentive and pushed me to increase my maximum poundages.

Now I need to book some sessions with a nutritionist.

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#473

I do DEXA scans every 6 months. During a period of significant fat loss, I gained appendicular lean mass but lost a full inch of bicep size… all fat.

If you gained strength and lost scale weight it’s reasonable to assume you at least maintained your muscle but lost fat. You may just have slightly leaner arms now.

Leaner but smaller will often look stronger than larger and fatter, so it’s not a bad trade.

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#474

Do you get a Dexa scan for any reason other than determining lean/fat mass?

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#475

Mostly lean and fat mass (especially visceral), but I’m also interested in tracking bone mineral density at least at the coarse level that the composition scans provide. I know a true bone density scan provides better data, but I don’t think that’s necessary unless the body-comp version indicates a problem.

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