He looks like he does because he doesn’t do resistance training and is bald. Which of course is just a convenient distraction for those who don’t want to hear about the health benefits of a WFPBD.
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How Not to Die: Discover the Foods Scientifically Proven to Prevent and Reverse Disease Amazon.com
Fully referenced.
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AnUser
#32
That’s okay, but you can reference bad studies or cherry pick them.
Sure, but someone could make the same sweeping claim about you and all the studies you’ve referenced on LDL and CVD reduction.
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AnUser
#34
They are not in a book, if you post his claims here and studies it would be easier to show why it is cherry picked or why they are bad.
Here is an example of a debunk.
Here is another.
There you go, cherry picking again 
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AnUser
#36
Nah, same is true for erythritol, fish, pharma, statins, etc.
New from just today. I’ll look forward to more details of this Ornish study.
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AnUser
#38
Blah, blah, he’s still saying it can reverse atherosclerotic heart disease. False.
It’s a new published study on Alzheimer’s disease. I haven’t had a chance to dig into it yet:
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AnUser
#40
Still what’s said about ASCAD is false.
You don’t think that intensive dietary and lifestyle modification which (among other effects) dramatically lowers LDL can cause some regression of atherosclerotic plaque?
AnUser
#42
Not reverse as defined in the literature.
Is plaque regression different than reversal, or is it just semantics? If the lumen of the artery gets wider and blood flows better (and plaques are more stable against rupture), it seems like semantics.
Beth
#44
Exactly.
It’s funny because I’m having this same conversation elsewhere today as spurred on by the new video you shared.
Most people (NOT ALL!!), even if not told they have to give up meat, and even if you say you can still be healthy while eating meat, get more defensive when one brings up that meat might not be the absolute healthiest choice than if you say ‘I’m coming for your guns’. It’s a fascinating dynamic to witness and happens almost all of the time. We are discussing that in my other chat, too
It’s typical that people care about his looks, even when he’s not saying, ‘eat plants and you’ll have big muscles like i do!’ IMO, an oncologist can be brilliant and say smoking is bad for your lungs, and this advice is no less valid even if there is a cigarette dangling out of his mouth while he says it… His looks are irrelevant but people judge by covers when it suits their purpose.
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AnUser
#45
Yes, it’s different but those studies have not even shown regression of plaque.
No it’s not semantics, it’s different things.
I suppose if you assume by “reversal” that the person is claiming “complete reversal back to normal”, then it would be true that NO known interventions can do this to date. But Greger isn’t claiming that when he says “reversal”. The artery lumen widened (as measure by coronary CT scans) in the Ornish study, so the normal “progression” of plaques went in the opposite direction (regression/reversal). Greger/Ornish never claimed that the study showed “complete reversal” of plaques.
https://www.jacc.org/doi/epdf/10.1016/j.jacc.2021.10.035
“Ornish et al (1998) randomized 48 patients to intensive lifestyle changes (10% whole foods vegetarian diet, aerobic training, smoking cessation, group psychosocial support) and demonstrated reduced coronary atherosclerosis progression at 5 years (although this measured plaque regression by coronary angiography rather than direct plaque imaging)”
“Most dietary arms of patients undergoing statin treatments have shown that plaque volumes progressed, and therefore, the usefulness of a diet strategy alone for plaque regression in established coronary disease can be considered limited.”
Yes, limited because the Ornish diet study is the only dietary study to date demonstrating plaque regression. And that’s what Greger has said repeatedly.
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AnUser
#47
Yes he is, and otherwise he would say regression but even that is debatable.
If that is what you qualify as reversal, then you’d have to at the same time accept that pomegranate juice, vasodilation medication, reverses ASCAD, since it has the same effect.
This is all in the video.
Bicep
#49
Here are my known CAC values:
The LAD went steadily up. The LM went steadily down to zero. LCX went steadily up and RCA went steadily up. LM regressed, obviously it went to zero from 247. You could say I need to radically change course because my CAC is increasing and it’s obviously going to kill me. But these things were in the works probably 6 years ago. I think if I’m pretty good for a few more years my CAC will be lower and possibly zero.
