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I thought you were all about popping pills :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth:
Great video! Thx. for sharing.

Hard to believe he’s only 51 years old. He’s so skinny fat, frail sarcopenic, neurotic, bald and grey. @desertshores looks younger than Greger in spite of being 31 years older. Whatever he did obviously didn’t work. I’ll take my advice from @desertshores not that 51 year old wreck

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I am not looking for advice, I am interested in new information and perspectives to see if there is anything that makes sense to me.

But I agree that he is looking skinny fat or low muscle mass. I think he is a low protein advocate, but I question if he is even doing strength training properly.

Baldness and grey hair sometimes you can’t do anything to change that, especially for the latter and once the process has happened.

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I enjoyed the presentation that he obviously spent a lot of time on. Eggs will kill you, meat will kill you, milk will kill you. He may be a little biased. Spermadine will bring you back from the dead ( I really wish ).

Lots of fun and I really don’t care if he gives all his money to charity or not. It’s his money.

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If Dr. Stanfield does one thing right, it’s that he actually does look young in his mid-30s. No one will trust a longevity advocate who doesn’t look young.

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Any one read the book?

Look’s Karl P is liking it and he is quite rigorous in his longevity thinking (at least the chapter of AGEs (@约瑟夫_拉维尔 )

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My father loves the book, and based on my discussions with him, it seems the advice makes sense.

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I own this book and have started into it, and have followed Greger for years.

I think focus on the personal characteristics is a temptation, but listening to what is being said and the science behind it is important. Weight lifters who look way better than Greger will be dead long before him on average.

Greger is well trained, very smart, but also biased. Not everything is fixed by a whole food plant based diet (WFPBD). A whole lot of things do much better, and so long as one optimizes their Omega 3 index and B12 - it is likely the optimal diet.

I tend to go more with Simon Hill (The Proof Podcast) on the protein side of things - however, higher protein diets are associated with shorter longevity, but it is nuanced. Dr. Longo (Prolon Virtual Mimicking Diet) talks on this a fair bit.

It would seem like going beyond 1.2 g/kg/day is unlikely to add any additional muscle mass, even if working out hard, and if not working out, with strength training 0.8 g/kg/day. As folks get older, Dr. Longo argues that there is likely benefit for more than this, at least in the 1.5-1.6 g/kg/day. All of this is super easy to do on a WFPBD.

There are lots of other dietary patterns, that enter various amounts of animal products that have reasonable health profiles - it just can’t be the principal part of the diet.

Greger, much like many others in the area of nutrition who have public followings, has a bias, then fills in the data to match. I think Greger is correct, but it is a bit oversold. It can’t fix or reverse everything, but is certainly associated with better long term health outcomes. His presentations are enjoyable to watch.

I’d encourage folks to subscribe to nutritionfacts.org

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The association with high protein and mortality rates is cofounded by red meat intake.

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It’s not just red meat, but yes, replacement of any animal based protein with plant based protein has been shown to decrease cardiovascular mortality.
We don’t have enough examples of WFPBD individuals pushing much north of 2 g/kg/day - whereas this is super easy to do with animal based diets.
So diet quality is an issue, and increased plant protein is inversely related to mortality - but they really don’t have data on this getting pushed to the high levels that can be done with animal based protein where stimulation of IGF-1 might become a bigger factor.
Nutrition is complicated, and can easily be overstated.
I’m confident in at least a few healthy dietary patterns, and have several that I’m confident worsen outcomes. It is interesting that there are many individuals in this space who have big audiences, probably because people enjoy hearing “doctors” tell them their unhealthy choices are perfectly wonderful … with diets that are definitively going to increase mortality.
It’s about a dietary pattern in which one does the eat more plants, have more fiber, more diversity, and if you choose to add some high quality, lower saturated fat meat, especially smaller fatty fish, and a bit of fermented dairy - have at it. Eat less (if overweight - like most people). There is the simple advice. No need to count macros if you do this (certainly one time screen to make sure not getting more than 10% of calories from Saturated Fat and not undergoing protein based on age).

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The IGF-1 lifespan studies I think will make it more clear whether if it is worthwhile to pay attention to too high protein intake or possibly what type of protein. Unless there is some other mechanism I am missing.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/C74OsmuslNa/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

He’s going to do a webinar on rapamycin and metformin on June 14

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As much as I love Greger … I think he is the ultimate skeptic and I think he is going to see the glass as 1/2 empty (or 99% empty) and not take the balanced approach of applying Colin Powell’s 40-70 rule to making important life decisions. https://integratedleader.com/articles/40-70rule.pdf
The clock is ticking … but Greger will point out the incredible benefits made by good lifestyle choices … and probably downplay the benefits of pharmacotherapy added.
The biggest thing, which Greger is right on … don’t think a pill replaces poor lifestyle … and don’t count on it to mitigate either.

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Why not? Aren’t certain combination therapies so powerful they negate any poor lifestyle?

Ha, AGREE AGREE!!
I do love the guy, but no way is he going to encourage people to take rapamycin, even if he’s taking it :slight_smile:
He will discuss it and then say eat a bro bowl and berries and you should live just as long :).

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Also, I had not seen the 40-70 before and that was said perfectly!
If you are into hearing stories of founders who created great businesses, I just finished the latest episode of my favorite podcast, ‘Aquired’, on Starbucks. Howard Shultz is a great example of someone with superb intuition.

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Greger is all about veganism and nothing else, so to get lifestyle or medication advice from him would be foolish in my opinion. He is biased towards veganism when it comes to health. I would take him more seriously if he accepted the debate offers from Avi Bitterman.

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