BTW, those of you taking telmisartan and considering adding colchicine, proceed VERY cautiously:

I wasn’t aware of this interaction until my doc pointed it out. He recommended starting at half dose of the 0.6mg colchicine (if I even wanted to take the risk), but it’s not worth it to me given that all markers of inflammation are already low.

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Weird:

After looking at the risk-reward ratio, I think other drugs or interventions might be safer than colchicine.
I wouldn’t take it without a doctor telling me that it was my best option and that I really needed this intervention.

“Colchicine is effective for treating gout flares and familial Mediterranean fever but can cause a range of side effects, particularly gastrointestinal issues like diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain. Less common but serious side effects include bone marrow suppression, neuromuscular toxicity, renal and hepatic toxicity, and rare conditions such as rhabdomyolysis and hemorrhagic gastroenteritis. Monitoring and dose adjustments are essential to mitigate the risk of adverse effects, especially in patients with renal or hepatic impairment or those taking interacting medications.”
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The narrow therapeutic index and risk of interactions makes it much riskier than other drugs.

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I agree. The global systemic benefits are not worth the risks, especially in individuals with low inflammatory status, as measured by hsCRP.

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John, here are my last 3 blood tests for HsCRP.



Since I’m particularly interested in vascular inflammation, I’m very interested in the Lp-PLA2 blood test.

Since Lp-PLA2 is a vascular-specific marker of inflammation, measuring Lp-PLA2 levels may be useful for a more complete evaluation of atherosclerosis in the metabolic syndrome, for an early classification of patients considered at high risk of CVD.10 The plasma concentration of C-reactive protein (CRP) reflects the low-grade inflammation and predicts the long-term risk of a coronary heart disease. CRP is accepted as a sensitive marker of chronic low-grade inflammation and predictor of atherosclerotic vascular disease evolution. Lp-PLA2 is a vascular-specific marker of inflammation, independent of other risk factors including CRP. The correlation of Lp-PLA2 with atherogenic risk is even greater considering that it is secreted by the macrophages of the atherosclerotic plaques and may well represent the transition to plaque instability.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6360470/

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wow, how do you get so low?

Also, what’s the “< 0.5 mg/dL” on the right? The recommended range? I’ve never seen a recommended range so low!

Is “ultra-sensitive” the same as hsCRP, or “high sensitivity”?

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I don’t know the answer to that or the Hs vs “ultra -sensitive” question. I am in Mexico and here is the lab I use. It is a national chain with up-to-date lab facilities in major cities. My small town blood draws are sent to the nearest big city (45min) for analysis. My Lp(a) results were in nmol/L. Hospitals and doctors here consider Chopo Labs modern and reliable.

https://www.chopo.com.mx/guanajuato

I’m also interested in the GlycA test for inflammation but that is NMR so probably harder to find and more expensive.

EPocrates gives a more nuanced answer on the interaction of colchicine and telmisartan. “Contraindicated in patients w/ renal or hepatic impairment; otherwise consider decreasing colchicine dose during and x14 days after telmisartan use.”

The specific effect is listed as “combo may increase colchicine levels, risk of myopathy, rhabdomyolysis, other life-threatening toxicity.”

Mechanism is P-GP-mediated transport inhibited.

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To get mg/l from mg/dl multiply by 10

So these figures in mg/l are 0.5, 0.3 and 0.7

My under 0.15 mg/l is under 0.015 mg/dl

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yes, my screen shot above is directly from epocrates. Still not worth the myopathy risk to me at this point, unless perhaps colchicine is ever shown to have benefits even for those with low markers of inflammation (still makes me mad that they didn’t assess even CRP during the trials and that the FDA let them get away with this).

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Now I see on your screenshot … no wonder that looked so familiar.

It is interesting that Vera-Health.ai on it’s review states there is no established interaction between these two drugs.

States no interaction found …. I’m not convinced ePocrates is right.

Courtesy of Dr Oracle:

Question: Does telmisartan inhibit p-glycoprotein?

Does telmisartan inhibit p-glycoprotein?

Overview

Telmisartan, an angiotensin receptor blocker (ARB) used in the treatment of hypertension, has been shown to significantly inhibit p-glycoprotein (P-gp) activity.

Mechanism of Inhibition

Potent P-gp Inhibition

Telmisartan is identified as one of the most potent inhibitors of P-gp currently known (20222053). This inhibition occurs at relatively low concentrations, suggesting a high affinity for the transporter.

Comparison to Other ARBs

Among the ARBs, telmisartan stands out for its substantial ability to inhibit ABC transporters, including P-gp, which are relevant for drug pharmacokinetics and tissue defense (20222053).

Clinical Implications

Drug-Drug Interactions

The potent inhibition of P-gp by telmisartan may explain known interactions with other drugs, such as digoxin (20222053). This interaction potential suggests that telmisartan could modulate the bioavailability of drugs whose absorption is restricted by P-gp.

Potential for Altered Drug Disposition

Healthcare providers should be aware that telmisartan’s inhibition of P-gp could potentially alter the absorption, distribution, and excretion of other medications that are P-gp substrates (31571167).

Additional Transporter Interactions

BCRP and MRP2 Inhibition

In addition to P-gp, telmisartan also inhibits other ABC transporters, including:

  • Human BCRP (Breast Cancer Resistance Protein)
  • Human MRP2 (Multidrug Resistance-associated Protein 2) (20222053)

Considerations for Clinical Practice

Dosage Adjustments

While some ARBs may not require dosage adjustments when combined with other pharmacological agents, the unique inhibitory profile of telmisartan on P-gp and other transporters suggests that careful consideration should be given when prescribing it as part of a multi-drug regimen (27216792).

Monitoring

Patients taking telmisartan along with other medications that are P-gp substrates may require closer monitoring for potential drug-drug interactions and altered drug responses.

Conclusion

Telmisartan demonstrates a significant inhibitory effect on P-gp, distinguishing it from other ARBs in terms of its potential for transporter-mediated drug interactions. This characteristic should be considered when prescribing telmisartan, particularly in patients on multiple medications.
[Answer generated by www.DrOracle.ai]

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Yes - tough to know if significant. I Rx 20 times more telmisartan than colchicine, but will make a note of this if I am considering putting the two together, might be more cautious. Thanks.

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I measured that low on my last blood test

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That’s good. So we now have two people in the under 0.15mg/L range.

One in the age range 40-45 and one in the age range 60-65.

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I’ve also got a low CRP of 0.15. I do take colchicine 0.6 post a 2023 HA, occlusion of proximal LAD.

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What age range are you in?

I had a CRP below the lab’s 0.15mg detection threshold a couple months ago at age forty.