Oh no I was just noticing that both HGH and Rapamycin improve lymphocytes, T cells, and other things of this nature. I am wondering if the mechanism is similar but I don’t think it is related to mTOR, since HGH would not suppress mTOR.

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I’d not expect a big difference given you’re about as optimal as possible. I’d say if you started out at 5 or 8, that’s were I’d see some difference (or even 2)

@LukeMV I think HGH due to regrow of the thymus with this has this effect, so it’s a bit different etiology - but this should re-invigorate T cells.

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That’s a very good hypothesis. Probably is correct.

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Yes I’m making many assumptions, you have to in this situation. There’s no reality where bryan is going to drop everything just to test rapamycin so the reality is he will just be testing it in his context. I however have had times where I only take rapamycin and I share the same side effects, and they are found replicated elsewhere so it’s hard to believe he is wrong on these.

I do hope there are obvious wins out there through just taking a supplement, however I have a strong assumption that most supplements end up having really minor (if any, or negative even) effects, excluding the ones already validated some amount through the ITP. I’m not sold on his blueprint stack of supplements, there are only a few things in it I’m really interested in

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Just curious…how much rap do you take? And how much do you weigh?
Thanks

I’ve noticed slight improvements with my autoimmune issues, if that’s worth anything. Make sure to monitor your lipids/Glucose regardless… but I’ve had no such issues. I actually have had skin issues, including pimples/boils but it does calm down a bit after a while. BJ also complained about this… and he has become very vain, so I wonder if this was at least partially responsible for his decision.

He uses fat transfers, fillers, CO2 laser treatments, and many other treatments on his face.

He even stopped his caloric restriction to help ‘refill’ his face, which is ironically the intervention with by far the most research supporting it.

Vanity before longevity.

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What else you are on that may have contributed your good health?

Agreeing with Sirt6 - there may be very good reasons for healthy young women to take rapa. The calculations are very different based on biological sex.

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Bryan posted a study that suggests Rapamycin actually increases aging. I am sure this is partly because he is getting a lot of inbound on why he stopped so he is justifying his decision. x.com

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I think this is the study we have looked at before. It is to some extent noise.

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Well, lots
I mountain bike in the Colorado mountains, eat Med style, no sugar, sleep 7-8 hours for starter
I took metformin from 2014 to 2021 long before rapamycin came on my radar and boosted Vit D to the 70-80 ng range starting in 2014 as well.
Was taking every supplement that Bryan Johnson has in his list, so now I just buy his which is cheaper than Amazon.

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Very good point. Have you seen the research by Dave Feldman and Nick Horwitz on Lean Mass Hyper Responders. This is mainly with regards to a very low carb diet, but it may well have a similar effect if calories are low also. Cholesterol does increase when fasting.

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I have Rosacea. It’s fairly aggressive, but controllable with a twice a day skin cream application.
About 8 months ago I started taking Rapa, 6 mg once per week. I noticed within a week of starting I was able to apply the skin cream far less often, and some days not at all. Amazing since I have had to do this for years. Just to be sure, I paused for a week and my skin reddened and became irritated again. I tried pausing once more after a few more weeks and sure enough the rosacea condition returned Most of the time now, my skin is clear.

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This is only one example, so take it for what it’s worth. There are likely other explanations but here it is:
Our dog was diagnosed with a spinal infection after taking rapamycin. Started giving him 5mg weekly early Nov ‘23 and did this for 1 month while I looked into ordering more. My husband and I, along with two other dogs and a cat were taking rapa at the dose of 0.15mg/kg weekly also. Jax, was the oldest at 10.5 yo at the time. After being on it for 1 month, we took a break until about January ‘24 and we all began taking it again for about 2 months, bringing us to early March. During the fall to the spring, we were seeing intermittent episodes of him freezing up and not being able to walk. Saw the vet & neuro specialist right away thinking pinched nerve or something similar. They could not figure it out. Was managing with gabapentin, which relieved his pain in 30 min and he was almost back to normal. Finally, this worsened and we had an MRI & spinal tap done finding he had a bacterial infection in his spine. This put him on heavy antibiotics for 5 months. In this time he was not back 100% but he’s also another year older with known arthritis. He was walking, running, jumping great, just a bit slower and rested more. Fast forward November 3rd 24, i give him 1 mg rapa, thinking it’s very conservative dose and maybe give him the boost of “help”. I also bring him to the vet in Nov. 15th because I’m looking for relief to his slowed walking and mobility and they give him adequan injection for joint help, which I’ve read has incredible safety profile. Two days later he is not eating, bland diet, not helping, back to the vet, full blood work up, concerns, to a specialist, hospitalized 4 days and find he has a rare, aggressive cancer, histiocytic sarcoma-the rare form of that: hemophagocytic. His red blood cells are getting destroyed by cancerous histiocytes. He passes in 4 days. Yesterday. I feel guilty if hastening my dogs aging in this case. The ONLY reason I am posting this is for some to be aware of the risk of infection and potentially consider caution. What happened to my dog is rare stuff. Spinal infection for him, the way he lived, the great food, exercise, low chemical/vaccine exposure, that was rare. The cancer-although rare, his breed-Flat-coated Retriever, is prone to cancer. I am happy he lived the longest of his litter, I just think there is some involvement with rapa in this situation. Maybe there is more risk the older you are. Maybe it had nothing to do with rapa, but thought I should share.

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Tommyboy8, I struggled with rosacea for years. I talked to tons of doctors and tried many things. Laser would work best but it was only a temporary solution until the next breakout showed up. I also tried food tolerance tests and elimination diets; nothing conclusive came out of that.
But in my generic path to health and longevity I kept tweaking my diet: removed alcohol, removed processed food, removed almost all dairy, removed almost all gluten, minimized sugar, minimized starchy carbs… basically following the mainstream recommendations that one finds nowadays, nothing wacky…
…and suddently my rosacea was gone and has been 100% gone for years now, my skin looks like it never happened and looks better in my 40s than it ever looked.
I know this is not a rapa post but I thought you might find my experience interesting and/or motivating.

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Who will benefit from Rapamycin; who will not. Can we come to any kind of understanding of this? Recently read research that showed inverse correlation between cancer and Alzheimers: cancer is a condition of cell overgrowth; Alzheimers is marked by neuronal death. This is oversimplification but seems aligned with the idea that we all tend to be on a spectrum from anabolic (growth, cancer, robust muscle/physicality, earlier wear-out) to catabolism (lower fecundity, slower growth, frailty, potentially longer life). Can it be that Rapamycin, by turning down mTor, much as calorie restriction does, pushes the organism from the anabolic to the catabolic end of the spectrum? Yes, oversimplification, but is there any usefulness to thinking about it this way? Then by extension, if you locate yourself along this spectrum, does that help inform a decision about whether Rapamycin is going to be a net benefit for you?

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I think the issue is one of dosing and timing really.

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Welcome David

That IS an inspiring story! I’ve met many people who have solved skin issues by eliminating dairy and/or gluten. It’s interesting how prevalent it is!

Unrelated but I used to have dry uncomfortable skin that I solved just by switching to more ‘natural’ cleaners/detergents… not sure if the culprit was synthetic fragrances or SLS or ?, but I have no incentive to find out.

Just to add, Rapamycin has been life changing for me! I feel better than I have in years. I don’t know why but I now sleep well most nights. And because I sleep, I feel sooooo much better! I went off of it for a month to see if it would help resolve a rash and my bad sleep came back, so I am confident it was not a coincidence.

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Well, I go by the example of CR, which in some ways is a much simpler intervention - it’s just restricting calories to various levels.

Yet it doesn’t extend lifespan for all, and for some it shortens. And yes, there are nuances, like age of initiation, how sudden the onset, compensatory micronutrients etc., but the fact remains it shortens lifespan for some. And for others there seem to be no benefits to CR.

Also, there are drawbacks and side effects, with vulnerabilities, such as pathogens.

Rapamycin seems very similar in many ways. There are some who don’t benefit at all, and others who are actively harmed. It has not been proven to extend lifespan or healthspan in humans. The danger of bacterial infections is very real. There are concerning possible risks of interstitial lung disease and pancreatic beta cell toxicity and more. It is much more complicated than CR to find the right dosing protocol - we have some hints but are very far from any confirmed recommendations. Individual variability seems quite great.

Now you’re asking about how to determine who falls where on the spectrum of possible responses to rapamycin. Frankly, I think this is really uncharted territory. For example, in CR, we have at least some hints, like late life initiation seem not good; those who tend to hold onto more of their weight when on CR do better and some other factors. But rapamycin - no real clues at all. All you can do is to try and see, and even then you really don’t know because of the lack of verified dosing protocols.

Rapamycin is a high uncertainty intervention. With the uncertainty around possible benefits and harms. One small reassuring fact seems that rapamycin appears safe as far as fatalities and great irreversible harm. It appears that stopping rapamycin reverses most of the undesirable side effects.

Anabolic vs catabolic is certainly a dynamic of rapamycin action, but I don’t think one can use that as a global discriminator as to who will benefit and who not. As example, look at the effect of rapamycin on the muscle - rapa inhibits mtor, so you’d think it would have a catabolic effect that interferes with muscle growth. But that doesn’t seem to be the case, and in fact in the PEARL trial there was an actual benefit to the musculature of women, and anecdotal evidence from this site male members seems to confirm that too. Therefore it seems to me that a global anabolic/catabolic discriminator is not going to be predictive of what individual will reap more benefits than harms from rapamycin. YMMV.

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