#8

smdh

Eat the rich!!!

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#9

Some believe that money doesn’t buy health. I believe in just the opposite: money does buy health (especially when you are not young anymore).

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#10

Are any of you advocates of minimizing exposure to wireless communication photons? I keep hearing it on podcasts featuring people such as Dr Mercola and Dave Asprey (not quite even “mainstream longevity researchers”), and although I have a strong physical science background, I haven’t really jumped on board (also, I live in NYC so if this is a real problem, I’m probably a dead man anyway — for a research project with my daughters we measured/analyzed the spectrum from 1 through 10 GHz here in the city, and even directionally, with some very cheap equipment and a PC). Many of these people are “tenting” their beds, etc. to prevent exposure.

This ties into this topic because I keep thinking it would be relatively simple to build a faraday cage (tuned for, say, 3GHz through 150GHz) inside the walls of an apartment or house when it is being built (or substantially remodeled). I haven’t heard of anyone really doing this, though. This might create issues such as your cell phones won’t work in the home so you’ll need to supplement with your own internal base stations (although I gather you can perhaps choose which part of the spectrum you are willing to invite into your home). This wouldn’t be a huge expense during the building/renovation process. Is this worth considering?

I can see an enhanced water filtration system may be useful, and possibly an air filtration system. I’m not yet at the hydrogen bubbling system or hyperbaric pressure system.

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#11

Money provides the freedom of choice, I agree, and I’m thankful I have choice to pursue health. However, from personal experience (and not a morality judgement) I’ve noticed that pursuit of money for many people appears to crowd out everything else, including health. I see many wealthy people who lament about their health. Maybe they aren’t too far gone and just need a good guide but can’t find one (honest and/or knowledgeable) or maybe they’re too far gone to fix their issue(s). But whatever the reason, this seems to be commonplace.

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#12

In some cases, it is not only a pursuit for a longer health span and/or lifespan but a lifestyle, or maybe one could say that their focus on wellbeing and health is a hobby. With excess money, one can make the choice to invest time and money in activities that create a feel good effect. For some, it is expensive cars, exotic jewelry, private airplanes, extraordinary clothes, etc.

Yes, what I read above is extreme, but since their extreme lifestyle pours money into an industry that at least tries to promote a healthy lifestyle, I prefer this more “healthy” flow of money to money flowing into destructive endeavors.

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#13

I realize I’m in the baby steps here at my home. Part of the problem is if I feel whatever I’m doing is bordering on ostentatious madness I just lose the drive to keep at it and I think some of what I see mentioned there definitely falls in that category for me.

But I have (and extensively use) a full body red and infrared light panel, a cheapie far infrared blanket that I don’t generally use and am about to sell or donate but I ordered from China a custom made sauna that incorporates all the specs I want (due to be installed mid September), a personal use hydrogen water generator which I swear by and my 69 yo mom, to whom I’ve gifted the same bottle, says makes a huge difference in her energy. I got more facial devices than a medspa (Q switched ND yag laser, rf microneedling machine, regular microneedling pen, hyaluron pen, facial ems devices targeting different areas of the face, mini hifu, mini IPL, ez gun for mesotherapy, high frequency galvanic wand, blue picosecond mini laser, and just arrived from China after I left for Europe for the month, a true plasma pen that also outputs cold atmospheric plasma). At first I was in more research and collection mode about my devices, as it took me time and mental bandwidth to research the exact device I needed and the best specs and price for it. I have an early background in STEM / engineering and need to understand things at a granular level before I pull the trigger. Also I can’t stand buying retail (enough Jews in my ancestry to account for that, make what you will of the reference), so even price shopping takes forever. By the time I order something life gets in the way of learning how to properly use it through the research it takes on YT and whatnot. So there’s a time lag from realizing something will be added to my stack to when I start reaping benefits from it. But I had already started getting compliments on my skin last summer from people I see once a year in the old country. This summer my sister (7 years younger) was asking me what I had done. And of course it’s only women who notice these things or think fit to mention them but a handful of them have independently noted it so I know it’s not just placebo (I’m not as diligent as I should be with before / after pictures for my own reference).

Anyway that improvement is from using just a portion of my stack for about a year so I’m getting serious about using more of it and I’ve set up a usage calendar now. Super excited about the cold plasma pen as I’ve seen amazing results documented from aestheticians and it can be reused every 72 hours.

Anyway my next two investments I am eyeing in the horizon are:

  1. PEMF device or bed — can anyone here weigh in more on what they know at the research paper level about the best frequencies, power, etc.? I doubt the people profiled on the WSJ articles all had the same thing, and something tells me they probably don’t know jack about their settings / specs. I want to be very careful with what I buy.

  2. low hanging fruit budget wise, a PRP / PRG centrifuge (around $300) and EZ gel making machine (maybe another $200) to make PRF gel. I’ve seen amazing results from this on my skincare forums and it’s essentially homemade filler with your own blood. It looks like the same results you’d get from hyaluronic acid / fat transfer fillers but it creates your own tissues. The gel is created by heating and denaturating the albumin portion of the blood and then infusing it with PRF. The fibrin mixed in this denatured albumin creates a scaffolding structure that prevents the fast resorption of the PRF into the body and makes it possible to localize the effects of the tissue building from the growth factors, stem cells, etc. I even think it might have long term health / longevity effects if done on the regular from the elimination of the red blood cells. It’s essentially doing what a plasma exchange procedure does, if you think about it (eliminate some red blood cells, reinsert everything else).

Anyway I’m just not sure how to reinject the solution as it’s too viscous for the mesotherapy gun and I am not sure if the papules from nanosoft needles would even disappear — not about to experiment with possibly semi permanent weals under my skin. The ideal way to inject is via a blunt tip cannula but that would be crossing the rubicon in terms of risk for me. Potential arterial occlusion terrifies me, even though cannulas were developed to prevent exactly that. Still, they’re not fool proof so if anyone knows of ways someone how’s not a certified nurse can get some clandestine training on facial anatomy and injection techniques beyond what can be found on YT I’d appreciate any and all tips (@LaraPo pretty please with a cherry on top).

Anyway I’ve been all over the place with this post but I want to emphasize that an upper middle class person can afford to slowly and carefully build an impressive stack if they know their shit. It doesn’t take FU money.

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The mTOR rebound effect has been kind to my skin?
#14

PEMF is hard to find solid material. In the end i got the recommendation from a vendor who sells a range of kit from different manufacturers. I got a hugo intense which is quite pricy, but does seem to work.

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#15

Can you share more info on it? Website / product specs etc.?

#16

These are the people I bought it from:

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#17

IF some of that money went into research, it may yield more benefits for all. That what’s-his-name is spending two million a year.

#18

I’m so impressed with the devices that you have in your collection and the amount of time you spend learning, and the knowledge you have! No doubt you have some impressive results that girlfriends notice (most men are not that good with fine details). I don’t own any devises from your collection and don’t do the procedures you describe. My approach is too elementary in comparison with yours. I just do fillers from time to time (1.5 - 2 years), and meso every 6 - 8 weeks for maintenance using just a simple syringe. I don’t even do micro needling. I’m surprised myself that I have the results I have. My grandmother used to say that what you eat shows on your face. I strongly believe in plant based diet, supplements, sleep and exercise (including facial yoga), and clean home environment (hepa filters in each room, triple water filters, UV shield and electronic filters in HVAC system).

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#19

Diet and exercise is at least 95% of how you “optimize” your physical and mental performance. Really sounds like they’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on the last 5%. If they’ve got that kind of money to spend, great, but I wonder how much they’d even notice if they didn’t have the light-therapy bed and the BioCharger machine.

That said, I’m not sure how much I’d notice if I stopped taking my vitamins and supplements. In particular, I have not noticed any physical differences from taking rapa. I’m more or less taking it on faith that this will extend my lifespan. But my vitamins and supplements, including rapa, along with my gym membership and the food I eat, aren’t costing me very much money - it’s well within the reach of a normal middle class person.

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#20

Statins are the cheapest and most powerful longevity drugs available. It’s literally dirt cheap. Money and longevity isn’t a problem right now. It even takes care of one of the worst side effects of rapamycin.

90 x 5 mg Rosuvastatin costs $5 at CostPlus

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And you can buy 20 mg x 90 for $7 and divide by 4 and have an entire year supply for $7. Even cheaper for 40 mg.

Knowledge and longevity is a huuuuuuuuge problem.

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#21

My stack may sound impressive but I’ve only consistently used about a third of it. Now that I am certain that it’s working I am setting up a usage calendar — which is actually a non trivial challenge and takes some research on its own, seeing as usage overlap of different modalities can lead to overtreatment and do more harm than good.

I actually knew of mesotherapy and bought the gun way back in 2019 but I haven’t used it once as I wasn’t sure what to inject with it. There’s plenty of cocktail mixes that are appropriate for surface application + microneedle assisted penetration but not ok to inject sub dermally.

Could you summarize what you’ve injected with the highest success / got the best results from? I’m primarily interested in augmenting my cheek volume and addressing beginning nasolabial folds — the skin surface quality is about as good as it can get at this point but rapid weight gain and loss over 4 consecutive pregnancies has taken its toll on those areas. Is there a cocktail you prefer for voluminizing effect? And can it be localized to go heavy on those areas (cheeks and nasolabials)?

I assume you haven’t done anything beyond superficial injections with nano soft needles or meso guns? Any experience with blunt tip cannulas?

I’ve come to regard PRF EZ gel as the holy grail of soft tissue regeneration (I bet Bryan Johnson will stop looking so creepy in the face once he catches wind — will replace his fat injections). But it’s too thick to go into a meso gun. MAYBE it can go into a nano soft needle but I am worried the weal might not get absorbed like with HA cocktails and then I’d be screwed (perhaps I will end up having to try it on my arm first to see what happens).

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#22

To get some volume you have to inject fillers. Meso is just for skin hydration and nourishment, it won’t give you any volume. Fillers can be injected with a sharp needle, not obligatory cannula. Cannula is usually used if you attempt to evenly distribute filler covering a bigger area from one entry point. When you move cannula in different directions from the same entry point, it won’t injure/perforate veins. However for cheek volume you can inject with a sharp in one spot and gently massage it for even distribution.

If you have much loose skin as a result of weight fluctuations, adding volume won’t help bc you’ll have to add too much and will end up having a pillow face. At this age, most docs advise to have face lift done and then adding volume. In my case, I have the same weight all my life, so my skin is not stretched and therefore I do not need much volume on my face.

Radiesse works well for volume and will last up to 2 years if not more. It has a semisolid consistency of implant (suspension of calcium hydroxylapatite in a gel carrier composed mainly of water and glycerin). It’s not HA based. I used it several times in the past, but stopped using it after my kidney transplant as it’s not recommended for the immunosuppressed. It’s painful if not used with lidocaine which has to be bought separately and mixed into the product (mixing valve is provided). The result is immediate and very smooth. It was my favorite filler.

Juvederm Volluma is also a great filler for volume and is easier to use. It’s already mixed with lidocaine.

I don’t advise to use Sculptra. Imo it has to be done by a professional technician only as it’s not possible to undo the result if you make a mistake.

For meso, I like Cytocare 532 and use it 4 times a year. It maintains skin well. Other cocktails, and there are many, are also good. They provide different vitamins in addition to HA.

PRF EZ gel imo has to be done only by a professional technician. I would never do it myself. It requires a cannula application (probably 25 g diameter) and has to be distributed evenly on big areas. Nor sure how you would correct it if needed in case you apply more on one side of your face. It definitely requires a specialist. It’s also much more difficult to work on yourself. I’m right handed and can easily work with the right part of my face, but it’s very difficult to have the same symmetrical result on the left part of my face bc of the angle of injection. Ideally, left side has to be done with the left hand.

To sum it up, it’s easier to go to a doc to do what you want. Only meso and micro needling are easy to do at home.

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#23

Makes me laugh when some spend a fortune trying to block electro magnetic fields whilst others want PEMF devices.

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#24

Sometimes it is the same people. I personally use a 5G mobile phone quite close to my head so I cannot see any reason to build a faraday’s cage around me.

PEMF is a curious thing. However, it has made a big difference to my digestion. In the sense that prior to PEMF if I went on a bender I would have loose stools, now I don’t. I still go on benders (ie binge drinking and I know that is not good for health as I have all the records to prove it), however, since PEMF this has not disrupted my digestion in the same way.

What I found is that starting PEMF caused quite a bit of diarrhoea in theory as it cleared out toxins. For whatever reason, however, that stopped after a while even though I ramped up the time (and power). With the HUGO Intense you can feel the intensity. I keep it on the threshold prior to pain.

I think it has the effect of improving mitochondrial quality.

#25

I think this is your device straight from the manufacturer

Don’t the purely arbitrage based margins of HUGO make you a bit sick? :slight_smile:

Found some great looking devices there from a few days of research that I’ll share later if anyone is in the market.

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In the end the question is the value of the device to someone’s health. I am not quite sure how many steps there are in this particular supply chain. Also it does not seem that this is exactly the same although it obviously has similarities.

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#27

Absolutely. One legitimate way to look at it, is “is the effect on my health worth the retail price?” I’ve been involved in the wholesale / distributor side of things from an another life though and can’t unsee and unknow how easy it is to bypass the retailer and go straight to the manufacturer. That there is the base model. I looked at the specs of each in terms of PEMF power. But when you buy in bulk from the manufacturer you can request little modifications for your batch (I see HUGO uses different coating on their double coil, for example.)

I’m curious, have you done any research on the effects of PEMF on brain function? From what I could see it all looked positive but none of the devices I looked into recommended usage around the head. They were mostly for PT / injury recovery / rehabilitation.

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