Another longevity clinic group:

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A placebo that hurts is more likely to cause a positive effect (whatever a placebo effect is…), is what I’ve read.

“A fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place”

~ ? (Who knows this quote?)

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He said that he liked Outlive and thought the science was sound, but he was skeptical because following its advice already “requires a person who is two or three standard deviations from the norm when it comes to discipline, income, and presence of mind.”

Lol, if following that is two or three standard deviations from the norm, what is Bryan Johnson’s protocol?

More creative ways to separate people from their money, typically with little scientific rigor behind the therapies:

Definitely not for everyone—but certainly for some: Between 2020 and 2022, the number of people taking wellness trips increased by 30%, and the wellness tourism industry is expected to reach $1 trillion by the end of 2024, according to the Global Wellness Institute, which began tracking wellness tourism 15 years ago, just as use of smartphones began to rise. McGroarty believes it’s no coincidence.

“People have simply become far more stressed, depressed and unwell and they demand travel experiences that will help heal them,” she says.

Now, those trips have become intertwined with the rapidly expanding $27 billion longevity market, which is one of the fastest growing wellness sectors, per the Global Wellness Institute’s annual report. Itineraries—not only on cruises but at luxury resorts and vacation residences—are promising an oasis where the wellness spa meets the biohacker where they are at.

That’s the case at the Estate, a joint venture from SBE Entertainment Group chair Sam Nazarian and self-help guru Tony Robbins deemed “a revolutionary luxury hospitality & residential ecosystem anchored in the world of preventative medicine, AI and longevity,” set to launch 15 hotels and 10 longevity centers by 2030. Partnering with longevity center Fountain Life, preventive medicine clinics and anti-aging spas adjacent to five-star restaurants and suites will be the premise, starting at $1,000 a night, according to Bloomberg.

https://www.sixsenses.com/en/hotels-resorts/europe/spain/ibiza/

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Can’t really beat $5 of statins and $20 worth of generic rapamycin a month.

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You taking it now? (Extra char)

How much does it matter what I do? But no, not yet (again, took it before, stopped, have some left).
I know it’s relatable to others that’s why I said it and it’s for a greater point.

I need to be able to be following the L U S T G A R T E N Approach before I start rapamycin.

@AnUser Just curious, nothing more.

Yes, the lustgarten focus on testing and reporting is what we really need with a longevity drug approach. It would be awesome!

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Another new longevity clinic / chain?

Humanaut Health Opens Longevity Clinic in Austin, Eyes Franchising

Humanaut Health has opened its first-ever health optimization and longevity clinic, bringing personalized and preventive healthcare services to Austin, Texas, ahead of a planned nationwide expansion that includes selling franchises.

Located in The Grove, a mixed-use community in Austin, the 4,000-square-foot clinic will feature health-optimization tech including body imaging, fitness testing, an IV lounge and a regenerative medicine procedure room. Memberships start at $355 per month and members will have access to a team of licensed and credentialed medical providers focused on preventive care.

Humanaut Health says its services are designed to support “long-term quality-of-life goals” including disease prevention, energy, strength, mobility, recovery, sexual health and more.

“We believe that medical science breakthroughs – including body-identical hormone, peptides and regenerative therapies – can help millions unlock their potential to live vibrantly for decades,” said Dr. Amy Killen, co-founder and chief medical officer of Humanaut Health.

Humanaut’s baseline Zone membership costs $355 per month, plus a $295 join rate. The Zone membership features semi-annual body and brain testing, continuing provider care and access to wellness services including IV drips, healing treatments and personal training.

Humanaut also offers a Bond membership, a concierge-level longevity program. For $3,295 per month plus a $1,000 join fee, the Bond membership includes comprehensive testing, physician-led care, telemedicine services and access to cutting-edge regenerative medicine tests including genetic, biological age, gut, toxins and early cancer detection.

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A Business Insider story (along the theme of this thread). I find it rather humorous as we are doing many of these things the writer talks about, and I don’t consider CGMs to be something too extreme and only for the wealthy (though they are more expensive than I’d like):

I went to a longevity conference for the ultra-rich. Here’s how they’re planning to cheat death.

This is where longevity seekers come each fall for an intimate conference connecting investors to entrepreneurs and scientists. Some are trying red light therapy, while others are toting Blueprint macadamia paste in their pockets as a pre-lunch snack.

Some wear continuous glucose monitors (CGMs) to monitor ketosis, or avoid the potatoes at dinner hoping to keep their blood sugar levels steady.

Read the full story: I went to a longevity conference for the ultra-rich. Here’s how they’re planning to cheat death (Business Insider)

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Here’s an overview of what’s provided by the 25K/year Optispan program.

First off, here’s a list of tests and procedures that are provided by Optispan, and my estimate of what it would cost to acquire on your own.

I’m guessing you’d pay something on the order of 8-9K if you were to assemble all the tests and exams if you did it yourself.

Enrolling in the program involves going to Optispan HQ near SEATAC for ‘Gateway Day’, where you are run through some fitness tests, blood samples are collected, POCUS exam, Oura Ring measuring, CGM installed, etc, etc. You’re interviewed in depth, driven by what you indicated on the extensive questionnaire filled out upon enrolling. Whole thing takes about five hours. I don’t live nearby, so I flew up there the night before, and flew out the following evening.

After about six weeks, and all the data from the above as been collected and analyzed, you receive the central deliverable - your ‘Optispan Narrative’, which includes analysis of your interview, and all of the above-listed items, with recommendations. Presentation of the narrative is done by the doctor via Zoom, I think it was something like two hours long.

‘Eat, Move, Sleep, Connect’ - Optispan’s ‘Pillars of Healthspan’. Before enrolling, I was already in the process of upgrading my diet, and improving my sleep habits and environment, so not much useful in my Narrative. I get 10+ hours of vigorous exercise per week, so not an area where I needed Optispan’s help. As far as ‘Connect’ goes, not interested in whatever this actually involves. I’m just looking for Better Living Through Pharmacology.

So what was drug/supplement-related the outcome of my Optispan Narrative?

  1. Prescription for Repatha to try and bring down my high LP(a). Didn’t work.

  2. Advised to try Thorne Methyl-Guard to reduce homocysteine. Knocked me for a loop after taking first dose…

  3. Some discussion of TRT, but that never went anywhere.

  4. ‘Consider taking low-dose rapamycin.’ Some miscommunication here, as I was already taking.

Trailblazer_Program.pdf (404.6 KB)


Optispan personnel:

A team of scientists, doctors, and coaches with expertise in longevity medicine and research guides every Trailblazer through progress plans tailored to their unique needs that will empower them to achieve their optimal Healthspan.

There are a handful of people that comprise the customer-facing part of Optispan.

Matt Kaeberlein is not one of them.

George Haddad is ‘the’ doctor. (There is only one.)

I began my clinical practice in 2001 as a founding member of the Swedish Medical Centre’s hospitalist team. I’ve also served as Medical Director of Swedish Executive Health, an intensive preventive health program designed in collaboration with Microsoft, and became the P4 Medicine Institute’s Medical Director in 2017.

There are two ‘coaches’. MK’s youtube foil, Nick, is one of them, and also another fellow. I was assigned to Nick. I had a zoom discussion with him, just after enrolling, and he commented after a few minutes that was hard to see where Optispan was going to add value in this case. I did get one valuable recommendation from Nick. I have knots in my back muscles that I had been trying to eliminate for a while, and he turned me on to the Theracane. I mentioned it to my PT, and he said ‘Oh yeah, I love the Theracane, been using it for years.’ Grrr. Well anyway, after about three months of use, back knots eliminated. Back still hurts, but less.

There is a lady who ends up intercepting and relaying any message sent to George on the HIPAA-compliant messaging system, and then relaying George’s reply. And an administrative assistant who sends you forms to fill out, and bills.

So, in sum, five emplyees actually doing the work.

As of the end of June, sixty Trailblazer enrollees.


I enrolled in this thinking: ‘This looks like a poor value, I must be missing something.’ It might be overpriced by 5-10K, depends on what you think margins should be. Which, considering the pricing I see for other conceirge services, is not that bad.

One of the disappointing aspects of this experience was erratic levels of service. You might think 25K would buy you some close attention. But I wrote to Dr. Haddad, the interceptor wrote back ‘message relayed, will get back to you early next week’, and then…nothing. I was due for the second round of blood tests about 10/1, wasn’t until three weeks later someone realized this and sent me info. At that point I was already done with the whole experience, so they’re dead to me now, though in theory I have several months left in the ‘program’.

If you are making 250K at Microsoft, middle-aged, wondering about your health, and don’t have time or inclination to join the rapa.news cult (or even knowedge of same), this seems like reasonable option. But even then, I think one year of this should be enough…

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Wow, this was really interesting and thank you for providing all of that detailed information. I’m sorry it was at your expense, but it’s nice to see what they look at to see if we are missing anything for ourselves. Kind of fun you met Nick because he seems great.

I agree it would be ideal for some local MSFT people who are not inclined to pay attention to any of this themselves.

Not sure where you live, but if you happen to be near the Monterey CA area (bay area perhaps?), I have a magical PT who could potentially help you with your back, if it’s help-able. I drink his kool aid and don’t think there is anything he can’t do. :slight_smile:

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One more reason to come see a “little guy” who actually lives and breathes this stuff rather than the corporate approach. Your prices are higher than I can get them on pretty much everything by a modest % and they’ll be getting it at the same $$ I can.
They should be paid for professional expertise, but it should actually be individualized evidence non-protocol driven. If they are just doing a protocol, then you can have a robot do it or a non-physician. Especially paying these prices, it should be a longevity expert who really milks out the best possible.

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Can vouch that Dr Fraser is the real thing!

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Yes @neo, I agree!

I was just telling our Grant today that I’ve been so impressed with his personal attention and expertise that I’m considering dropping my local concierge doc.

I think it’s the best care I’ve had, and the bar is high because I’m a doctor snob!!!

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Well sure, but you don’t provide a coffee mug, t-shirt, and notepad.

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For those of us who take a very serious approach to our health, these services are rarely good value. At least I have not seen one. Not really surprising, as the kind of focused personalized attention that would be more than you can manage yourself would require a veritable team of top specialists. How realistic is that? Not very. Bryan Johnson has a team alright, but Bryan can’t tell a top specialist from a topless generalist, so what good is that.

I know more about the areas I’ve focused my research on, my poor glucose control, high cholesterol etc., than your average PCP, so the only person of use would be a genuine scientist in the given field. Meanwhile a concierge PCP or one of the handholders in these longevity clinics is of little use to me.

Bottom line, if you have a ton of cash, no time and little medical knowledge, these clinics may have a function. But for me, the value proposition isn’t there, I’d sooner plop that cash on a random roulette number at some Vegas joint - more fun and less exasperation, which is saying something.

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Although I am not a fan of Brian Johnson’s approach to the issue one of his key advisors Oliver Zolman is clearly quite knowledgable.

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