My current favorite brand for the base supplements has switched from Thorne to Momentous. Most (All the ones I take at least) of their supplements are audited/certified (which is not the case for Thorne) and they have one or both of the “NSF certified sport” and “Informed Sport Certified” certifications. Compared to Thorne some supplements are cheaper and some more expensive. The ones I take are a little bit cheaper.

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Bulk supplements struggling with QC again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Supplements/comments/1b2rd55/weird_brown_object_found_in_my_bulk_supplements/

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How do we know they are not making it up? Supplement companies play dirty with each other all the time.

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I did a search for Urolithin A after reading about it here on Rapamycin.news

I found a product from Saglikli that looked like a good price ($63) for 240 capsules.

But, every review reads like a marketing promo written by the same person with different account names. The accounts all had posted only one or two reviews and all for the three supplement products that Saglikly sells on Amazon. If you google Saglikli the have no web presence, no address, no phone, etc.

I reported them to Amazon early last week and the agent said they would report their findings to me in a few days. Haven’t heard back and product is still on their site.

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“Sağlıklı” means “healthy” in Turkish. Probably a Turkish company then? I would avoid…

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Occam’s Razor might need to be used here.

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FWIW: The supplement field is ripe with fraud. It seems like we need to check the source of every single one of the supplements we take.

“Externally, NOW sent one unopened bottle of each brand to Alkemist Labs to provide an independent report on the same products. HPTLC was performed by both NOW’s in-house lab and Alkemist Labs, an industry-leading botanical identification contract laboratory for the identification of Astaxanthin”

“14 out of 22 samples failed potency testing and 13 out of the 14 failures contained less than 1 mg of astaxanthin. Each of the 24 mg products failed very badly and the only gummy tested contained less than 1% of astaxanthin”

  • contained less than 1% of astaxanthin.

NOW Testing Astaxanthin Products August 2023

:warning:︎ = Brands that had less than 1 mg HPLC Results.

:warning:︎:warning:︎ = Brands that have less than 1 mg HPLC and Failed Alkemist ID only Results.

Astaxanthin Brand Tested 2023 Size Lot # Label Potency NOW HPLC Results Alkemist ID only Results
:warning:︎ Amazing Nutrition (NJ) 120 Sgels AV-0122199 12 mg 0.6 mg Pass
:warning:︎ aSquared (mislabeled 5%) 120 Sgels 221012 10 mg 0.6 mg Pass
:warning:︎:warning:︎ Best Naturals (NJ) 60 Sgels 052231 12 mg 0.4 mg Fail
Bulk Supplements 180 Sgels SG3304011 12 mg 13 mg Pass
:warning:︎ Cheeky Nutrition (UK) 180 Sgels 28829 12 mg 0.8 mg Pass
:warning:︎ Clear Formulas (FL) 180 Sgels 220310 10 mg 0.7 mg Pass
Deal Supplement (CA) 90 Sgels A302NB1 12 mg 11 mg Pass
Doublewood ¶ 60 Sgels 2301009 12 mg 14 mg Pass
Health Thru Nutrition (NY) 120 Sgels 1151 2230 12 mg 15 mg Pass
Horbaach (NV) 120 Sgels 109331 12 mg 13 mg Pass
:warning:︎:warning:︎ Lilicare (+ 500mg Resveratrol) 60 Gummi 731078 24 mg 0 mg Fail
Micro Ingredients (CA) 90 Sgels M04A0323 12 mg 15 mg Pass
:warning:︎ NatuVitz (mislabeled 5%) (FL) 120 Sgels 220406 10 mg 0.6 mg Pass
NatureBell (CA) 120 Sgels A301NB2 12 mg 11 mg Pass
:warning:︎ Neviss + Ashwagandha (CA) 2/75 Sgels 220620 24 mg 0.3 mg Pass
:warning:︎:warning:︎ Nootamin (+ Ashwagandha) 60 Vcaps MI/ASTC/0223 15 mg 0 mg Fail
:warning:︎:warning:︎ Nootrilabs (+ Formula) (FL) 90 Vcaps MI/APGC/0423 15 mg 0 mg Fail
NOW 60 Vgels 3289649 12 mg 13 mg Pass
:warning:︎:warning:︎ Osasuna Liposomal (KY) 60 Sgels UDT-089-8927 24 mg 0 mg Fail
:warning:︎ Research Labs (UT) 120 Sgels 220820 12 mg 4 mg Pass
:warning:︎:warning:︎ TerraVita (DE) (mislabeled) 100 Caps 78-D86F2DE7 450 mg 0.1 mg Fail
:warning:︎ We Like Vits (mislabeled 10%) 180 Sgels 41199A 10 mg 0.3 mg Pass
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If people would just follow good advice and buy from reputable companies that test every batch with 3rd party lab testing and then post the Certificate of Analysis (CoA) on their website, then quality and purity shouldn’t be a concern - and especially safe if you buy directly from the company’s website. As with many things, it’s caveat emptor so you should follow good practices. Aside from Bulk Supplements, Doublewood, Horbach and NOW, the names on that list are ones that I’ve never heard of.

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Are some companies that post coas still fake? It isn’t that hard to get one…

https://www.nowfoods.com/healthy-living/articles/nows-testing-results-berberine-products-december-2023

Does anyone know anything about alliwise?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmazonVine/s/OhEElSD69q

@DeStrider: did they review Pure Encapsulations and Solgar?

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@adssx I found this about Pure Encapsulations

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Solgar has a good reputation in Europe and sells pretty much so I too would be interested in any reviews.

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@adssx Regarding Pure Encapsulations, Consumer Labs noted that in some products tested the amount present was only 80% of the listed amount.

Pure Encapsulations also tends to be more expensive.

There are more articles and the general trend is that Pure Encapsulations is a good but expensive supplement company. They tend to use better ingredients which probably explains it.
For myself, I’m sticking with NOW.

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@adssx RE: Solgar. Again it appears to be a good yet modestly expensive brand.

Here, Bulk supplements is a better choice than Solgar which is better than Nature’s Way.

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Thanks a lot! Yes I’ve always thought (without any evidence!) that Solgar was high quality but way too expensive.

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Well, ultimately, you have to go by test results, and not by ANY claims by the brand (including: “independently tested” - says who?). And you can’t just accept that a “good” brand remains good forever - brands get bought out and you never know how the new owner treats qc.

And a lot comes down to personal anecdotes. For example, I avoid Nutricost like the plague, because a personality who is well known and respected in the longevity space used to work at a very high end Canadian supp company (AOR), where he maintained very high standards; he since left them to work in a longevity lab, but he wrote a very extensive post about Nutricost, saying that it is one of the worst companies when it comes to sourcing quality ingredients, testing and QC. Sure, anecdotal, but the guy is very reliable and knowledgeable in the field, so I made a personal decision to avoid Nutricost.

But really, it comes down to even good companies only being suitable for a given supplement. They might not have the formulation you are looking for, or you want to avoid the additives. For example, I take a bunch of supps, and many of them are stabilized with the help of vitamin E - sure, maybe it’s only 10% RDA for vit. E, but you take several different ones a day, and many contain vit. E stabilizers, and it all adds up, so you’re over 100% RDA for vitamin E - AND I DON’T WANT TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTAL VITAMIN E AT ALL!! Or vit. C as stabilizer, with the same issues.

Also, sometimes you see a brand given high marks, because it contains MORE of the active ingredient than listed on the label. BUT I DON’T WANT MORE, I want the exact amount, because I’m carefully monitoring my intake, or am just topping off a certain vit/mineral or whatnot and don’t want too much. Too much is also a sign of production QC problems or general sloppiness and not high standards.

So I mix and match brands depending on which supp I want. FWIW, my go to brands, are NOW, Nature Made, Jarrow Formulas, AOR, Life Extension, Carlsen Labs, Solgar, KAL. If a given supp is not available from my go to brands, or not in the right form, I reluctantly may buy from a second tier brand, after careful consideration if the supplement is likely to be complex to manufacture, or has generally tricky ingredient suppliers, and in that case my second tier brands are: Swanson’s Vitamins, Bulk Supplements, Carlyle, Solaray, Thorne, Trader Darwin (Trader Joe’s brand, lol!).

As to avoiding Chinese companies - sure, the level of fraud is just epic, and almost zero controls, so yeah, avoid at all costs, not just meds, supps, but all food and food items; most manufactured goods too, but at least a poor quality tool won’t kill you (hopefully!). However I’m afraid it’s impossible to avoid on some level, as certain ingredients are only made in China, or pharma companies source their ingredients in China (even if they test them, bad contaminants get through, like the recent scandal with cancer causing impurities in blood pressure and stomach acid meds); supp companies notoriously source from China and often don’t disclose that, so good luck. Btw., people don’t realize how much fraud there is in “research” in China - so when I see a paper or study coming out of China, I immediately disregard it, as the chance that it’s a fraudulent result is sky high. I’m afraid that until Chinese standards change and they crack down on regulations and enforcement, or we move away from trading as much with China, we’re stuck. I’m not optimistic. YMMV.

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What knocks Thorne down to second tier for you? They are generally considered top tier.

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Thorne third party tests only select ingredients, not all, if you google you should find that referenced (to be fair, it’s been a while since I last checked, so things may have changed in the last couple of years). Also they don’t disclose the sources of their ingredients, which makes me uneasy. Mind you, I don’t think they are bad in any way, which is why I still use them in a pinch, they’re just not top tier in my book. YMMV.

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I wonder if there are European users who compiled a list of reliable supplement brands in Europe. Here Now, Solgar and Life Extension have a decent distribution network, perhaps Swanson, whereas the others are less available or just non-available.
The drawback I see with US supplements is that they have to be shipped to Europe first then stocked in local wherehouses I believe, with proportional increase of prices and shelf life. Unless they are manufactured directly in Europe under licence, which I don’t know.
I don’t know an organization comparable to the US consumerslab in Europe+UK

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I sometimes use these.

I know that Hansen came out on top in some testing program for NMN. A program done by NUS, Nation al University of Singapore. It was reported at last years ARDD.

MCS formulas are new to me but look promising, when it comes to quality control.

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