#21

I love diy skin treatments and I do diy micro needling, but this makes me nervous. Even professional rf treatments have the potential to do unfortunate things to collagen layers that can make future surgical procedures less successful.

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#22

Yes yes yes I’m aware of all that and that’s why it took me so long to take the plunge from treatments like basic microneedling. Bottom line is if you don’t feel comfortable using it you won’t use it. Mine collected dust for a good three months after it arrived before I cracked it open because these same doubts were at the back of my mind. But realize this is NOT Morpheus8. It’s not as powerful. When you choose “face” in the UI it doesn’t even let you use needle depth of over 2 mm. The wattage had a hard ceiling on it too. If you read about the depths of the epidermis, dermis, fascial layer etc you quickly realize you can’t do damage if you tried. I’ve seen pictures of what people looked like after a Morpheus8 treatment and it was a different ballgame altogether. I found Morpheus8 on Ali and its specs were so much more powerful that yeah with that thing you CAN do damage. This is a $400 machine. It’s practically a toy. I recommend you try it on the lowest depth so you can see for yourself it’s nothing to be scared of then incrementally up the ante.

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#23

Hi lurexlu, maybe can you share the device and supplier that you purchased ? Thank you very mach.

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#24

What do we think about this from founder of “Young Goose?” " there is a very, very, very famous biohacker that recently did some kind of live and talked about radiofrequency. And, that’s one of the things that I think is the most, I would say, misunderstood or dangerous field within microneedling because most radiofrequency nowadays is being done with micro needles at the same time. And, that is so strong that people are only getting results because of swelling and scarring. Radiofrequency is a way to heat up only the subdermal layers of the skin. So, you get radio waves. So, each and every wave gets absorbed somewhere else in our body, in the skin. That’s why infrared is so positive because it only gets absorbed in one photo acceptor in the mitochondria, but radiofrequency gets absorbed about 3 centimeters into the skin and basically creates damage there, which swells up the skin, creates scarring. But obviously, you can understand how this is a finite process that you can’t do over and over and over again. No judgment here, but if someone wanted to do plastic surgery later on or anything else, you’re creating a skin that is really hard to deal with, hard to work with.
Ben: So, is that the same as, I think, a term I’ve heard before called ablation? Is radiofrequency like ablation?
Amitay: Yes, it’s ablatory. Normally when we talk about ablation, we’re talking about laser. And, laser ablation is when we’re creating damage closer to the surface. So, most of the time, it’s in the dermis and epidermis; whereas, radiofrequency is more dermis and hypodermis, which is the innermost layers of the skin.

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#25

I got this one but as @medaura mentioned these links always change…
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806200559633.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.4.7eb818026V5228&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

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#26

Good price. Thanks for the replay.

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#27

I think it’s all about dosage and depth. What was that parable of the king who had promised to punish the perp of a crime by crushing him with a giant rock once found? Then it turned out it was his own son so he commuted the sentence to having the rock crushed into pebbles first and thrown at him one at a time.

That whole discussion is general and doesn’t take any parameters into account. In general office treatments you’ll get Morpheus8, with a high wattage (intensity of RF energy) and long needle depth. The idea is they’ll charge you and arm and a leg for a series of treatments so they’ll want you to see a dramatic change after just 2 or 3. Yes that could be extra inflammatory and lead to scar formation etc. but if you break it down into a gentler amount of energy delivered 1-2 mm into the skin, it’s not at all the same reaction. It also takes longer to see the results (took me about 5 treatments).

I also think taking rapamycin minimizes the inflammatory response that leads to scar formation.

Is this a process that cannot be sustained till the end of time? Yeah! I’m gonna die one day. But to me the logic that I should let my skin droop and sag in my 30s and 40s all the way into my late 50s so that THEN my skin will be ready for a facelift surgery is bonkers. But I can see why plastic surgeons would want me to steer off of treatments that will keep my skin looking great now. So that I can be a good candidate for the knife later :joy:.

I have zero fomo as I have no intention of ever undergoing plastic surgery. You can see my results in my before and after. Why would I want to “save” myself for upper and lower bleph. Also the skin of the eyelids is much thinner than 3 mm so how did I get those results according to these “influencers”?…

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#28

The link is no longer working apparently

#29

Yeah they always disappear… Just put “Morpheus” in Aliexpress search and desktop device will come up among others.

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#30

For what it’s worth, I asked a couple of famous plastic surgeons about doing face lifts on clients that had interventions like mulitple filler rounds, bio-stimulators like Sculptura - which also creates “scarring” - and they said that OF OCURSE they prefer untouched faces, but an experienced surgeon will be able to handle it no problem. It’s just a bit of more work for them, not an impediment.

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#31

Stands to reason. I really think the whole brouhaha is about discouraging people from even doing proactive maintenance because they might not even want to go under the knife if they’re getting good results at home or from med spa procedures. So I think it’s a self interested claim.

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#32

I did it! You’re right - NBD at all, except on some (thinner skin) parts level 1 suction wouldn’t release and I think I made a minor injury before I figured out to unplug the little hose to release… Is it because I didn’t put enough gel on some parts?
Couple of other questions:
-Do you reset the machine for each area or can one just proceed with the setting for the nose for example to the cheek etc if they’re the same settings?
-What’s your post care? Same as microneedling? No face washing, no sun exposure?
-Do you ever do chest or other body parts?
Thank you!

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#33

Yay! Good for you for pulling the trigger. Not sure what happened there with the suction not letting go. Hasn’t happened to me so far. I’ve done it to my belly but only once — using the body settings.

I don’t change the part of the face UI so long as the settings are the same. For aftercare same as microneedling.

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#34

Thanks. I also did on the eyebrows I think. Was that wrong? still learning…

#35

It’s totally fine to do it there. No right or wrong about it — I just don’t do it as I have this notion that the needle will pierce a hair strand and staple it 2 mm deep into my skin :joy: but that’s all in my head.

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