The best way to live to 100 is to be born in an area with poor record-keeping.
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arugula
#103
You can easily find subpopulations in Western countries who eat high protein, exercise and live way longer. This has been shown both in intervention and association trials.
Where can I find such trials? Could you please provide a list?
Actually the records in Okinawa are not bad. I think there is some fraud in other blue zones, though.
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LaraPo
#105
Less protein doesn’t mean lack of protein. Less protein may be enough for smb who exercises less due to age, but still stays very active. Sometimes “less” is “more”.
Arhu
#106
Up to 2g/kg has been shown to be beneficial though, that’s a lot of protein even for someone on the carnivore diet
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LaraPo
#107
It’s really a lot! Does that 2g/kg take into account age? Let’s say a 20 yo athlete vs 80 yo healthy and active person? Or is it 1 size fits all thing?
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Bicep
#108
I know. I’m thinking of using the scale and checking mine for a week or so to find out, because I really don’t estimate very well and they have me thinking about it now.
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“Why does Norway have such a high life expectancy?
Norway has a great life expectancy (82 years on average), thanks to the active Norwegian lifestyle, the diet that’s full of Omega−3 fatty acids (all that salmon is definitely good for you), and of course, a robust healthcare system that’s funded by the public.”
Many people who live in cold climates live to be a ripe old age and they are not living primarily on plant-based diets.
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LaraPo
#110
I’m 50 kg (112 lb), which means 100 g of protein daily. I consume half of it (plant, egg, whey). Increasing it would be difficult or even impossible.
You could supplement with plant protein powder. Mix it in almond milk, heat it up and you get an extremely tasy protein and calcium shake.
LaraPo
#112
I never eat processed foods or drink artificial “milks”. I eat whole organic nuts instead. My whey protein is home made from kefir, which is also home made 
My reason for not adding more protein to my diet is simple: too much protein is detrimental for kidneys. In addition, moderate to high protein consumption increased the activation of mTOR and Im on Rapamycin to decrease it. My logic does not accept such contradiction
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KarlT
#113
Average life expectancy doesn’t necessarily correlate with people living well into their 90’s. Could simply be low death rates in young people.
I don’t mean to discount Norway’s diet and lifestyle.
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AnUser
#114
That’s probably his previous life as a charlatan shining in. It must have marginal benefits over 1.6 g/kg and hidden risks. 2 g/kg is just annoying to hear because (1) 1.6 is enough for athletes (2) it is A LOT. Speaking of such high protein needs are probably going to make most people abandon trying to eat high protein in general…
1 g / lb is just annoyin bro-science.
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zacl
#115
Current thinking in the field is that 1.6g/kg will get a 65 year old to respond the same as a 20 year old in terms of muscle protein synthesis.
Anabolic resistance is a problem of aging. Adequate protein intake and resistance training is the solution. Avoiding the other diseases of old age doesn’t matter much if you end up suffering from frailty.
Is 2.0g/kg going too far? Hard to say, but I wouldn’t trash it as bro science. At that point it’s better to look at protein quality, etc, because the protein sources vary quite a bit.
Don Layman is an incredible resource for this topic. Great episode here:
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AnUser
#116
Does he look like a bodybuilder?
He migh’tve skipped the most important part… resistance exercise.
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Curious
#117
“Recent work has clearly shown that a calorie is not just a calorie—and that low protein diets are associated with reduced mortality in humans and promote metabolic health and extended lifespan in rodents. Many of the benefits of protein restriction on metabolism and aging are the result of decreased consumption of the three branched‐chain amino acids (BCAAs), leucine, isoleucine, and valine. Here, we discuss the emerging evidence that BCAAs are critical modulators of healthy metabolism and longevity in rodents and humans, as well as the physiological and molecular mechanisms that may drive the benefits of BCAA restriction.”
Calorie restriction works and protein restriction seem to work. But only talking about protein intake and calories at a macro level brings the focus away from the fact that there are some results that indicate that reduced levels of isoleucine -valine is required for the benefits seen, when in low protein diets. This brings me to think that collagen is an important source of amino acids and that BCAA might be detrimental.
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I am happy to empower you to stop worrying about that 
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Changes in Kidney Function Do Not Differ between Healthy Adults Consuming Higher- Compared with Lower- or Normal-Protein Diets: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
I share your instinct. I am not convinced on this one way or the other, but Attia and Kaeberlein argue for them being compatible by way of cyclicity:
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Arhu
#119
Even protein intake upwards of 3g/kg has been shown to be beneficial in some cases
Conclusions: Protein needs for energy-restricted resistance-trained athletes are likely 2.3-3.1g/kg of FFM scaled upwards with severity of caloric restriction and leanness.
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Arhu
#120
The older/leaner more active you get the higher the protein requirement
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Arhu
#121
100g that’s a 400-500g piece of meat (depending on the leanness of the cut of meat)
