#42

Beet supplements

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#43

Anyone knows a good beetroot supplement?

#44

I had success with Nature’s Way when I was taking it

#45

Dr. Blogosklony mentioned ARBs, and Propranolol in a 2014 essay about Koschai the Immortal. Koschei the immortal and anti-aging drugs - PMC

An entertaining read. Propranolol has not been mentioned much on our forums, but Dr. B mentioned it as a likely longevity drug. I wonder how his views on ARBs and beta blockers have evolved. Mice studies have issues since wild type mice don’t get ASCVD like humans.

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#46

FWIW

The best “beetroot supplement” is fresh{you make] squeezed/pressed juice from beets, add fresh ginger.

Your blood vessels will dilate in less than 20 minutes.

NOT processed pre bottled juice.

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#47

Beetroot is very high in oxalate which the majority of kidney stones are made of, they are extremely painful if formed. Instead you can eat arugula which has a lot of nitrate but no oxalate.

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#48

I was wondering the same. Why is propranolol almost non existent on this forum?
I use it for headaches and it really helps, when I sense headache developing and I take 80-120 mg it stops the headache from developing into splitting tension/migraine type of headache… I wanted to try it as a profilaxis, using 80 mg daily but I noticed that it slows my heart rate, not so much the RHT but when working out, when you want your heart rate to go up. I am doing sprint strides couple of times a week and same effort and timing gave me 8-12% reduction in heart rate… It seemed impossible to train at my max. heart rate. But other than this I really like propranolol. I use it occasionally when I have too much caffein and get jittery or if anxiety symptoms are kicking in and I need my mind focused…

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#49

I eat canned beets (no sodium version). Canned beets are easy, no prep needed, just open and eat.

If one’s concerned about oxalates in beets, just eat some calcium rich foods with beets so that the oxalates can bind to calcium and not be absorbed.

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#50

That could mean you aren’t absorbing the calcium either, and even if absorption decreases with calcium, it could still be too high.

#51

To compare canned products to real food is as different as night and day.

The canned products will not produce the same effect as freshly juiced{squeezed/pressed) with ginger.

If you have the correct equipment{an echo unit and BP monitor] you will see and measure the change on your blood vessels. 16oz of raw freshly squeezed/pressed beet juice{NOT packaged bottled juice] will produce a measurable change in less than 20 minutes.

Use the same equipment eat any"fast food" and you will see a measurable change, such as the blood vessels will constrict.

#52

Also in alternative medicine circles, meaning assign a low probability, oxalate can apparently wreck havoc in the body. I don’t really care that much about beets or spinach specifically, so the downside for this being wrong is very low to me (very low beets/spinach consumption).

#53

Canned beets are cooked beets. So you are comparing raw beets and cooked beets.

Canned beets works for me for my blood pressure and if freshly squeezed beet juice works for you, that’s great!

However, beet juice contains a lot of sugar (48g carbs, 44g sugar in 16oz) so it may give you a glucose spike. You may want to verify with a CGM.

I used to buy raw beets and boil them myself. Then I realized that canned beets are much cheaper than raw beets and they are already cooked. So canned beets save me money and prep time.

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#54

You’re right to try to lower oxalate intake. Of all foods, spinach has the highest oxalate content. Even though beets contain oxalate, it’s a fraction of what’s in spinach.

Personally, I don’t eat spinach (because of high oxalate) but I do eat beets because the trade off is worth it to me. I have some calcium with beets. Yes, you’re right that calcium is also not absorbed, if bound to oxalate.

Your suggestion for arugula is a great one!

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#55

Beets, fresh or from canned, have too much sugar. Not advised if you’re watching glucose.

#56

FWIW

Review the paper below, you would get a idea how to replicate the measurments using any food or product.

Effects of a Typical Fast-Food Meal on Arterial Stiffness in Young Adults

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#57

I only eat about 1/2 cup of canned (cooked) beets per day and it contains 4g of sugar.

#58

And a paper on the equipment used to measure

Pulse Wave Analysis by Applanation Tonometry for the Measurement of Arterial Stiffness

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#59

If there is a good reasonably priced piece of equipment one can get for this it would be helpful. I am thinking that the difference between systolic and diastolic BP gives an indication of arterial stiffness as well.

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#60

3 posts were split to a new topic: Skylabs Blood Pressure Monitoring Ring

#61

As was posted above on this thread, the equipment/method for arterial stiffness measurements is
applanation tonometry.

From above posting

Equipment and Subject Recruitment

“Applanation tonometry is the hallmark noninvasive method for determining arterial stiffening, which is why I chose to use it for my research. It measures arterial stiffness via pulse wave analysis. A device called a tonometer is placed on the wrist and records the radial (wrist) artery pressure waveform. A formula called the aortic augmentation index (AIx) determines central arterial stiffness based on the tonometer’s measure of the pressure wave in the radial artery”

Also review

How to Measure Arterial Stiffness in Humans

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.119.313132