Incidentally looking at my records I think I started taking more than 1g of melatonin a night last year in March. Hence I have been doing this now for a year.

Do you regularly test your vision?

I go to the opticians and also they take photographs of my retinas which I keep. My vision was I think possibly slightly better than 20/20 last time and I am less myopic than I used to be. I don’t have any hypermetropia now. I had a bit in the past. I used to need to use special glasses for reading music, but I don’t use those now.

That, however, is not necessarily a response to any changes in the sensitivity of my cones. I think the iPRGCs are functioning as expected and I have no problem with night vision.

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That’s good news!

Also: Melatonin protects retinal integrity through mediated immune homeostasis in the sodium iodate-induced mouse model of age-related macular degeneration 2023

Melatonin protects RPE cells from necroptosis and NLRP3 activation via promoting SERCA2-related intracellular Ca2+ homeostasis 2024

Melatonin reduces mitochondrial Ca2+ levels and restores mitochondrial membrane potential. Constant mitochondrial Ca2+ overload directly promote cell necroptosis through mitochondrial fission. Inhibition of mitochondrial fission by Mdivi-1 prevent necroptosis induced by SI without altering the level of mitochondrial Ca2+.

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It may be we should start a new thread on Melatonin

This is one of the key papers on Melatonin
https://academic.oup.com/endo/article-abstract/143/1/84/2988986?redirectedFrom=fulltext

The pineal recess (PR), a third ventricle (IIIV) evagination penetrating into the pineal gland, could constitute a site of melatonin passage to the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) and explain the high concentrations of melatonin in this fluid. To test this hypothesis, we characterized melatonin distribution in the IIIV of sheep by CSF collection in the ventral part of IIIV (vIIIV) and in PR. At 30μ l/min collection rate, melatonin concentrations were much higher in PR than in vIIIV (19,934 ± 6,388 vs. 178 ± 70 pg/ml, mean ± sem, respectively, P < 0.005), and they increased in vIIIV when CSF collection stopped in the PR (P < 0.05). At 6μ l/min, levels increased to 1,682 ± 585 pg/ml in vIIIV and were not influenced by CSF collection in the PR. This concentration difference between sites and the influence of PR collection on vIIIV levels suggest that melatonin reaches the PR and then diffuses to the IIIV. To confirm the role of PR, we demonstrated that its surgical sealing off decreased IIIV melatonin levels (1,020 ± 305 pg/ml, compared with 5,984 ± 1,706 and 6,917 ± 1,601 pg/ml in shams or animals with a failed sealing off, respectively, P < 0.01) without changes in blood levels. Therefore, this study identified the localization of the main site of penetration of melatonin into the CSF, the pineal recess.

From this paper we get average levels in the 3rd Ventricle of 5984 and 6917 where the pineal recess is not sealed.

I have edited this post as I got some of the maths wrong and am working on revised calculations. I will, however, be posting the results in some other location.

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Intranasal and inhaled delivery systems for targeting circadian dysfunction in neurodegenerative disorders, perspective and future outlook 2025

Oral medications often face challenges in achieving the necessary systemic circulation to effectively bypass the blood brain barrier (BBB) and reach the CNS, primarily due to low or variable bioavailability. Advancements in non-invasive delivery methods, such as orally inhaled and intranasal formulations, present promising alternatives for targeting the CNS. Orally inhaled and intranasal drug delivery allows for medications to rapidly achieve high systemic circulation through increased bioavailability and fast onset of action. Additionally, intranasal delivery allows for therapies to bypass the BBB through the olfactory or trigeminal nerve pathways to directly enter the CNS. This review assesses the potential for orally inhaled and intranasal therapies to treat circadian disorders in neurodegenerative conditions. In addition, this review will explore melatonin as an example of enhancing therapeutic outcomes by adopting inhaled or intranasal drug delivery formulations to improve drug absorption and target circadian disorder more effectively.

Despite its widespread use, oral melatonin has limited bioavailability, typically around 15 %, due to poor absorption from the gastrointestinal tract or extensive first-pass metabolism in the liver. Bioavailability also varies greatly between individuals, influenced by factors such as gender, caffeine and smoking, oral contraceptive use, age and the co-administration of fluvoxamine. In addition, pharmacokinetic studies have shown substantial variability in the time to reach maximal concentration (Tmax) following oral administration. Rapid release formulations have been found to range from 46 to 90 min with doses of 2 and 25 mg, respectively. Two different 10 mg oral extended-release formulations, from the same study, demonstrated Tmax values of 45 and 210 min. The variability in patient melatonin uptake may limit the effectiveness of oral melatonin as a therapy and could hinder research into oral melatonin formulations.

Although not currently commercially available, intranasal melatonin was first examined in 1981, whereby a small placebo-controlled crossover study of healthy adults (n = 10) reported that an intranasal dose of 1.7 mg of melatonin could effectively induce sleep.
Merkus and colleagues reported a Tmax of 5 min for intranasal melatonin administration (compared to 10 min for intravenous) in a crossover study of three individuals.

While intranasal administration demonstrates promising bioavailability and therapeutic potential, given melatonin readily passes the BBB and accumulates in the CNS at higher levels than in the blood, there may be a more straightforward route for delivering melatonin to the brain—via oral inhalation. Orally inhaled melatonin delivery could offer a direct path to the CNS while avoiding the drawbacks of intranasal delivery, such as limited dose size or reduced absorptive surface area of the nasal mucosa compared to that of the lung.
Given the absence of human studies on inhaled melatonin, a recent modelling study showed the pharmacokinetics of inhaled melatonin, demonstrating that a 2 mg dose of inhaled melatonin would reach a theoretical maximal plasma concentration (Cmax) 26.8 times higher than that of a 2 mg oral dose of melatonin. Furthermore, the theoretical Tmax of inhaled and orally delivered melatonin were found to be 0.2 min and 35.6 min, respectively, demonstrating that inhaled melatonin could provide a considerable improvement in the onset of action, thus, assisting with the management of circadian disorders.
Despite the scarcity of information to verify the safety and efficacy of delivering melatonin via oral inhalation, several ‘vape’ and ‘diffuser’ e-cigarette products, containing highly variable dosages of melatonin, have become commercially available; often marketed as sleep aids
The popularity of melatonin e-cigarettes can be inferred from a recent cross-sectional study of United States residents that found that over a quarter of their 6131 participants (56.3 % female; 43.7 % male; mean age 21.9 years) reported using melatonin vapes

To help address the gap in the literature surrounding the efficacy and safety of inhaled melatonin, the authors of this review have recently registered randomised open-label crossover human clinical trials comparing the effects of an orally inhaled formulation of melatonin delivered by MDI against oral melatonin tablets (CTR No. NCT06802913 & NCT06801379). These trials aim to investigate the pharmacokinetic profile of melatonin delivered by orally inhaled administration, as well as examine the effect on sleep architecture measured by overnight polysomnography in older adults with insomnia disorder. A validated air–liquid interface model of the alveolar epithelial layer [130] was used to gather currently unpublished, preliminary data examining the safety of depositing inhaled melatonin within the lung periphery. Thus far, both the trans-epithelial electrical resistance and the apparent permeability (measured by sodium fluorescein assay) of air–liquid interface models have not indicated that inhaled melatonin delivery compromises epithelial integrity, suggesting it will be well tolerated by the human lung.

Did you know about melatonin e-cigarettes @John_Hemming?

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I have not heard about melatonin e-cigarettes, I would not think there is much of an advantage to them as melatonin gets through cell membranes quite easily.

. It readily passes through the blood-brain-barrier and accumulates in the central nervous system at substantially higher levels than exist in the blood. As a result, this molecule exhibits strong neuroprotective effects, especially under the conditions of elevated oxidative stress or intensive neural inflammation.

The advantage is that you could imagine continuous delivery during the night with a diffuser in the room or a mask. Would that make sense?

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I don’t know.

Given the absence of human studies on inhaled melatonin,

They don’t know either. I supposed the existance of melatonin vapes means that human experimentation is happening. I wonder how stable the molecule is when in a vape, but one would assume it is not doing that much harm as we might already know if it was.

Yes it’s weird there are zero studies but dozens of websites with thousands of reviews. So millions of people using a product that has never been tested!

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Some of the interest in vapes was generated in response to research about the potential protective effects of melatonin in the lungs against Covid. Sorry, I have not quite mastered uploading information, so bear with me.

Also, an excerpt from a medical news site:

“Because lung melatonin inhibits transcription of these genes that encode proteins for viral entry point cells, application of melatonin directly into the lungs in the form of drops or spray could block the virus. More research is required to prove that this is indeed the case, however, the researchers note.”

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Protective effect of melatonin against blue light-induced cell damage via the TRPV1–YAP pathway in cultured human epidermal keratinocytes

Furthermore, we found that prolonged blue light irradiation induced DNA damage, which in turn induced YAP–p73 nuclear translocation. These effects were also notably attenuated by melatonin.

Dose–dependent DNA damage protection

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They’re available commercially. They work…

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But how are they better than pills?

From my experience, probably about the same. Sleep did seem to come on a little quicker. They might help people who wake up in the middle of the night who want to quickly get back to sleep fast (all speculation of course)

Which dose did you take? (of both vapes and pills)

I have taken both. The vapes were poorly constructed, so they didn’t last long before they started to produce a harsh ‘smokey’ vapour. Still had melatonin tablets at the time, so I could compare one day to the next. N=1 and all that, and I only used the vape for a couple of weeks before I had to chuck it.

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I have finally got my 250g of melatonin powder…only one thing I noticed, it is not really water soluble. How do you guys take 1g of melatonin? Straight into the mouth or is there a more practical way. Putting it in capsule is too troublesome. I can scoop about 1g in my teaspoon… how do you guys take it?

I tried dissolving it in whisky. That did put me to sleep, but it was not that soluble.

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I’m sure other members, have better methods of ingesting it, but l add it to water and stir the crap out of it. I have to be very careful drinking it because l find it burns if it gets into places it shouldn’t.

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