Calcified plaque doesn’t do anything other than stiffen your arteries. It is the soft plaque you need to look out for.

Thanks I will read as am confused Re these two tests, exactly where they each look etc.

Geeze why do most docs order the CAC then? Oh well even if I have the test again (assuming the Lifeline was flawed) the only treatment would be a statin anyway I would think….

Thanks I’ll listen to this episode today. I wanted to try just Crestor alone for 3 months to see if it brings it down (why add more drugs if one works) given my CAC score is 0 but now wondering if that’s even relevant, if the soft plaque is all that matters.

A positive CAC score indicates hardened plaque which indirectly confirms that you have loads of soft plaque.

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This isn’t exactly true because the biggest danger of calcified plaque is restricting or blocking of the blood flow in the arteries, although hardening of the arteries is also unhealthy. Soft plaque is more likely to rupture and cause dangerous clots. However, your zero CAC score (assuming it’s accurate) is more important than your high ApoB (Attn: @RapAdmin and @Virilius). Cardiologists and lipidologists agree that (short of other complications) a zero CAC score means that your chance of major adverse cardiovascular events (MACE) over the next 5 years is very low. That’s great for your age. That’s why you do a CAC test. With a zero CAC score the chance of having any soft plaque is less than 1 in 10, especially at your age. Higher ApoB does increase the risk of developing plaque, so to be safe, you should optimize all the major risk factors including ApoB, blood pressure, HbA1c/HOMA-IR, Hs-CRP and BMI (basically metabolic health).

It sounds like you’re in pretty good metabolic health and with a CAC score of zero, that’s great! So don’t let @RapAdmin and @Virilius alarm you. It would be smart and safe to lower your ApoB (so you can live forever) and starting low dose statin plus ezetimibe is the most recommended, simplest, cheapest way.

Hey, we still haven’t found a solution to cancer and dementia yet.

Thanks Mike that’s really good to know having soft is less than 1 in 10 if 0 CAC and I’ll give at least some importance to the Lifeline score.

HsCRP is another thing I recently learned - always thought it was just a more sensitive test than the CRP but now know it’s specific to the heart. I have a normal CRP and homocysteine (as of 7 or so years ago) but will ask for this too along with fasting insulin. Although I feel like crap and am tired so much of the time due to fibromyalgia, other than cholesterol, my blood markers have always been within normal range. Not that those are necessarily ideal, but at least ok.

I do get a bit confused with all the different opinions and thoughts but appreciate all of you giving your input. I’ll get on a med and check in in 3 or 4 months after next blood draw.

Just heard from doc she agreed with all of you will put me on Crestor (no added zitia for now) and check chem profile and CK in a month and lipid profile in 6. I suppose the 1 month checks are for side effects due to possible liver damage and such. The 6 month wait seems a little long to me but first things first hopefully I tolerate the drug. Thanks again!

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No, not heart specific, it’s general inflammation. And yes Hs just means high sensitivity. But because CVD involves inflammation, if your Hs-CRP is low (so it’s good and cheap to check), you are at lower risk of CVD. There are more specific measures of cardiovascular inflammation, like Lp-PLA but I don’t think you need that if Hs-CRP is low. And remember the Lifeline score may not be reliable.
Keeping an optimistic and positive outlook can add years to your life (don’t tell @Virilius). I don’t know anything about fibromyalgia but maybe improving exercise and sleep would help.

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Oh, so I was right about it after all. Someone told me it was heart specific. If it’s cheap to check, and a better test than regular CRP, why do docs not always just order the better one? I know you don’t have a reasonable answer to that. And I won’t tell Virilius. :slight_smile:

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Lots of utterly miserable people lived very long lives :wink:

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See this commentary on CAC scores. A CAC of “0” isn’t necessarily a “free pass” on APO-B levels:

A 2013 study, for example, looked at a group of 17 patients who died from an acute myocardial infarction (AMI) and compared them to 15 age-matched controls without a history of cardiovascular disease (CVD). The investigators studied 960 coronary segments in these patients and found calcification in 47% of the segments in the AMI group and in 24.5% in the controls. The calcification was not correlated with the presence of unstable plaques. The study’s conclusions are summed up by the article’s title: “Coronary calcification identifies the vulnerable patient rather than the vulnerable plaque.”

In other words, more than half of the lesions leading to sudden death in the AMI group exhibited little to no calcium. Unstable plaques, the ones more likely to cause grave damage, showed a lower degree of calcification compared to stable plaques. A low to zero CAC score suggests a lower risk of future events, but it does not mean a zero risk of future events. A CAC score is predictive (multiple clinical studies of varied populations have validated the CAC scan as a valuable risk-assessing tool as the extent of CAC accurately predicts 15-year mortality in asymptomatic patients) and diagnostic, certainly a tool worth having in the toolbox, but it doesn’t tell you what else is under the hood.

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Exactly what I said. From the same Attia article:

In another study analyzing outcome data from the Multi-Ethnic Study of Atherosclerosis, investigators found that 10-year event rates for individuals between the ages of 55-64 with a CAC score of zero were 3.1% compared to 16.7% for people with a CAC score 300 or above.

A CAC score of zero may be the best predictor we have of low estimated CVD risk, but it does not grant one cardiac immortality, as you can see from these studies. There are a number of modifiable risk factors that should not be ignored because of a score of zero, for example, managing blood pressure, lipoproteins, insulin, smoking status, inflammation, glucose, stress, exercise, and sleep may all play a role in disease progression.

I’ll take a CAC of zero over non-zero all day long, make no mistake about it. If you only concern yourself with a 10-year risk horizon, it’s a mighty fine tool. But if you want to think about risk beyond that, you need to concern yourself not only with how many times you’ve had a break-in, but also the risk posed by the neighborhood you live in.

And here’s a new study - 2024. @Candleflower from a cardiovascular standpoint appears to be asymptomatic.

Coronary artery disease (CAD) remains a significant health concern, and coronary artery calcium (CAC) scoring is a powerful tool for risk stratification, primarily in asymptomatic individuals. Notably, a CAC score of 0 often indicates a low risk for CAD and major adverse cardiac events and an excellent long-term prognosis.1 However, its diagnostic accuracy in symptomatic patients remains debated.

The “zero calcium paradox” raises questions about the true predictive value of a zero calcium score.2 Although often reassuring, it should not be the sole criterion for ruling out significant CAD. A lack of coronary calcification does not necessarily indicate an absence of atherosclerotic plaque. Although CAC scoring is traditionally used for asymptomatic individuals, its use is increasingly extending to symptomatic populations, necessitating caution in interpretation. The “power of zero” mainly applies to asymptomatic patients, with the exception of younger individuals (<40 years) with cardiovascular risk factors such as diabetes mellitus and hypercholesterolemia.

No one is saying that it’s a “get out of jail free” card. But @Candleflower your metabolic health looks good and we all recommend that you start a low dose statin. I don’t think you have to worry.

People here tend to hear “high ApoB” and they run screaming from the room, like they had just come face-to-face with Satan himself. Yes, ApoB is important, but in your case with zero CAC, I wouldn’t get too worked up about it - just start a statin - you’re way ahead of most people.

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Well we do know about CR, and Eunuchs… :wink:

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Wow, had to catch it quick…before you deleted it.

Or do you have an auto-delete feature…like disappearing ink?

Some people run screaming from the room, others run into the fire, armed with statins, ezetimibe, and PCSK9i’s.

Depends how crazy I am.

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You misspelt that. It’s “S-T-A-T-I-N himself”. :wink:

@Candleflower taking a low dose statin is a great first step. However, I’d seriously consider adding the combo pill Bempedoic Acid+Ezetemibe as well. It’s only about $0.50 USD a day if you buy from a reputable Indian supplier. It will have a large impact on your lipids.

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Thanks! I’m slightly confused but will watch these videos vs bothering you guys with more questions, but I have already been told I likely had a heart attack, some reading it say inconclusive some say I have. I don’t know if “silent” heart attacks are as significant but if I have had one,I’m proof that CAC scores can’t assure one you’re safe.

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Thanks Mike I’m going to send all this to my 77 year old very active energetic sister in law - her LDL is in 160’s and her doctor ordered a CAC which was 0 so her doc said no need for a statin so she’s totally carefree thinking she doesn’t need one.