adssx
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We have some papers that suggest a mechanism @DrFraser:
Recent German paper in Nature: Exploring the neuroprotective potential of Nrf2-pathway activators against annonacin toxicity 2024
Surprisingly, we found evidence that ezetimibe, an approved drug for hypercholesterolemia, prevents the transcriptional upregulation of 4R-tau triggered by annonacin insult.
Overall, treatment with the selected Nrf2-pathway activators, particularly with the p62-activators, ezetimibe and licochalcone A, limited the neuronal death and neurite degeneration induced by annonacin.
Ezetimibe attenuates functional impairment via inhibition of oxidative stress and inflammation in traumatic spinal cord injury 2023
Our findings demonstrated that EZE administration attenuates inflammation in microglia by regulating the AMPK/Nrf2 axis.
Ezetimibe, a NPC1L1 inhibitor, attenuates neuronal apoptosis through AMPK dependent autophagy activation after MCAO in rats 2018
Drug Repurposing Patent Applications JulyāSeptember 2024
Ezetimibe reduces aggregation and endoplasmic reticulum stress in both human-cell and Caenorhabditis elegans models of Alzheimer-like aggregation
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I donāt dismiss the study of Ezetimibe. I take Ezetimibe to reduce low-density lipoprotein cholesterol. If it has additional benefits, fine.
The list below are the ones I take that I think show promise for delaying or preventing dementia and Alzheimerās. But, that is not the primary reason I take them. Most have other benefits.
There are no extended RCTs that I can find, so all of the evidence for any of these preventing Alzheimerās is weak. Rapamycin probably is the best choice just because anything that delays aging probably delays Alzheimerās.
Rapamycin
āRapamycin has shown promise in reducing Alzheimerās disease (AD) neuropathological hallmarks in mouse models ([1])
Studies demonstrate beneficial effects in AD mouse models, including:
Prevention or reversal of cognitive deficits
Reduction of amyloid oligomers and tauopathiesā
āRapamycin may delay the development of AD by reducing Ī²-amyloid (AĪ²) deposition, inhibiting tau protein hyperphosphorylation, maintaining brain function in APOE Īµ4 gene carriers, clearing chronic inflammation, and improving cognitive dysfunction. It is thus expected to be one of the candidates for the treatment of Alzheimerās diseaseā.
Sildenafil or Tadalafil
āRecent Studies: A 2024 Cleveland Clinic study linked Sildenafil use with a reduced risk of Alzheimerās in insurance data analysis and lab experiments with human neurons.
Reduction Rates: The reduction in risk wasnāt necessarily 70%. Studies suggest a 30-69% lower chance of developing Alzheimerās for Sildenafil users compared to controls.ā
Memantine
āMemantine, an NMDA receptor antagonist, is already approved for moderately severe to severe AD and is being investigated for its potential in earlier stages due to its ability to counteract cellular damage from pathological NMDA receptor activation by glutamate.ā
Ginkgo Biloba.
Increases blood flow to the brain
āAll-cause dementia incidence decreased with higher numbers of Ginkgo biloba prescriptions in MCI patientsā
Vinpocetine
'Vinpocetine Increases blood flow to the brain and protect brain cells (neurons) against injury
Vinpocetine is a synthetic derivative of the Vinca minor alkaloid vincamine and has been studied for its potential benefits in preventing or delaying the onset of Alzheimerās disease."
Methylene blue
Methylene blue for Alzheimerās prevention and possible reversal
Galantamine
āCompared to placebo, galantamine (when given at a total dose of 16 mg to 24 mg/day) slows the decline in cognitive function, functional ability, and behaviour at six months in people with dementia due to Alzheimerās disease.ā
āRapamycin and Alzheimer disease: a hypothesis for the effective use of rapamycin for treatment of neurodegenerative disease - PMC
Rapamycin Responds to Alzheimerās Disease: A Potential Translational Therapy - PMC
Evaluating the effect of rapamycin treatment in Alzheimerās disease and aging using in vivo imaging: the ERAP phase IIa clinical study protocol - PMC
https://sci-hub.se/10.2165/00023210-200216120-00003
Neuroprotective effects of vinpocetine, as a phosphodiesterase 1 inhibitor, on long-term potentiation in a rat model of Alzheimerās disease - PMC
https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.bbr.2020.112512
Ginkgo biloba Extract in Alzheimerās Disease: From Action Mechanisms to Medical Practice - PMC
Association Between Ginkgo Biloba Extract Prescriptions and Dementia Incidence in Outpatients with Mild Cognitive Impairment in Germany: A Retrospective Cohort Study - PMC
Plant-Based Nutraceutical Interventions
against Cognitive Impairment and Dementia:
Meta-Analytic Evidence of Efficacy of a
Standardized Gingko biloba Extra
https://sci-hub.se/10.3233/jad-141887
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39498781/ā
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Guest
#43
To give an important qualifier:
For AD research all you can take serious is human data. The vast majority of clinical trials in general fail - despite previous positive data in animals to get approval for the trials. In AD itās particularly bad, as we do not have animal models that develop human type AD.
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Rapa has no relevant data in humans to speak of.
The Sildenafil observation study uses the opposite approach of the EZ study - fishing for associations and then trying to prove a mechanism (which they were not yet able to pin down). The EZ paper design is a much stronger approach in that respect.
Memantine is already used in AD patients and at least so far in observational studies it has a much smaller effect than EZ in itās study. The only point to make it compete with EZ would be RCTs - do these exist?
GB - same as Sildenafil: fishing for associations. Thatās a āsimpleā observational strategy inferior to EZ. The main upside is the dose depended effect size that they were able to tease out. Therefore I would put it on the same level as EZ - though EZ still got the upside of being a ācleanā drug with a single, AD specific mechanism.
Vinpocetine does provide symptomatic relieve during itās administration in AD. But it does not prevent AD conversion? We have a lot of those drugs for AD. They just donāt prevent disease progress.
MB - is there even observational data on that? Apart from being a lot more problematic as a drug than EZ.
Galantamine - the linked meta analysis is interesting; most of the included studies were unblinded clinical trials. The data is suggestive - a 2,86 difference on ADAS-cog (which is either 70 or 85 on the full scale) is okay; better than the antibodies currently marketed. This would be the only one that I would put above EZ. Thatās based on the trial designs, though the effect size is clearly smaller.
All in all your list contains one drug that would be on the same level and one better than EZ - based on trial designs.
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Guest
#44
You do realize thatās true for many symptomatic treatments of AD - i.e. no specific trial to prove that it penetrates past the BBB (i.e. by doing lumbar punctures etc.)? And they are still approved based on an idea of their mechanisms and the fact they actually just work in symptom relieve.
Again: do you seriously think the authors got lucky, to pick by random chance out of more than 1800 candidates a drugā¦ ā¦that just happens to have a massive impact on AD in and subsequent observational study? After predicting this effect based on an AD specific mechanisms.
And lacking trial data for BBB they actually provide computations based on accepted standards that predicted BBB crossing (BEFORE they did observational analysis) - corroborated by an established medical database and their own independent calculations.
This is not fishing for associations. Itās not an RCT either of course. But youāre building up impossible standards in a situation where we do not have any effective therapy officially approved for AD !
So out of curiosity: what therapies are you actually recommending?
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You can read my blog and Iām open minded, but Iām also a scientist who spent a lot of time getting education in pharmacology. We want mechanisms to be possible at least. I donāt have a horse in this race, but ezetimibe isnāt on my list yet, and nothing in the comments on this topic has made me see it otherwise. In vivo and in vitro, especially with neurologic issues requires either indirect signaling or penetrance of the drug to the CNS.
Anyway, my new YouTube Channel DrApoE4 will start having discussions on this topic. Just starting up on this.
The wonderful thing with this community is getting exposed to a lot of ideas, and having to filter which ones I apply to clinical practice, as I have to justify my recommendations to my patients, and which ones to sit back and wait for more information.
It doesnāt require high levels of proof, so the standard isnāt that high - but I have concerns here, as my assessment is that the benefit would occur if you got ezetimibe into your brain. I personally donāt think ezetimibe gets into the brain ā¦ so the study is fascinating, and maybe a neiman pick binder that crosses the BBB would be a great candidate. Doesnāt mean the literature isnāt useful, itās just not something Iām going to recommend to a patient stating that I think it would decrease risk of dementia. I have other better candidates right now.
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Guest
#46
Iām afraid my time is as limited as yours - so reading blogs is something I would do if you can give a link to a specific post.
Would you be so kind to do that?
Alternatively: would you please name an intervention that is worthwhile in your eyes? Just the name would be sufficient - I can do a quick read up myself.
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https://www.grantfrasermd.com/post/dont-lose-your-mind
I think this gives the beginning of my overview - there are a lot more candidates ā¦ but this is a start.
@LukeMV I think that Iād love to bring on other folks who have ApoE4ās ā¦ and I have a fair number in my practice. Just doing a Q&A around the approach can be quite useful. Sadly Iām very poor on time right now, but come March, Iāll be in a bit better shape.
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LukeMV
#48
Well arenāt you the party pooper, doc! We all WANT you to be wrong, so stop crushing all our hopes and dreams!
Just kidding, thanks a bunch for presenting all this info. Very excited to hear youāre starting a YouTube channel. Iāll certainly be hitting the subscribe button immediately. Maybe you can even bring on forum members as guests once in a while.
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Guest
#49
All he does is insisting that lack of specific experiments to prove BBB penetration of EZ invalidates the entire paper (while the authors do ameliorate that very question by calculations based on existing standards - verified by DrugBank).
While unfortunately not addressing my repeated comments on the unique study design of the EZ paper which sets itās apart from typical observational studies (itās not fishing for associations).
Now I have a link to a blog with a long list of interventions.
Would DrFraser therefore please tell me a specific intervention out of that long list, that he thinks is worth a second look? Is it Vitamin D? Telmisartan? Iām afraid I wonāt have the time to read your entire blog.
Just a name is sufficient (or a specific link to a blog post to that worthwhile substance) - like provided by user desertshores
I think Iāll bow out - Iām sorry I put in any effort on this dialogue. If you donāt want to read materials put forth by a board certified anti-aging and regenerative medicine physician - okay. Iām going to move on from this topic until there is new information.
I was simply pointing out some considerations to assessing such studies that were mentioned, and the critical nature of assessing whether the in vitro can translate to the in vivo.
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Why are you so fanatical about Ezetimibe? You make it sound like you have discovered a very important Alzheimerās prevention. I take it for cholesterol reduction, but as an Alzheimerās preventative, it is just one more of hundreds of drugs and supplements that claim some association. Who cares if it crosses the BBB or not, though there is little evidence that it does.
So, bottom line: You are free to have your own beliefs.
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adssx
#52
We have: The MSA trial showed that sirolimus does not engage with brain mTOR in humans (those with MSA at least).
Itās worse than that. We have a Mendelian randomization preprint that shows that sildenafil might INCREASE the risk of dementia: Large Study Finds Viagra Is Linked to Almost 70% Lower Risk of Alzheimer's - #129 by adssx
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Guest
#53
Everyone can have their own opinions.
But there should not be an entitlement to their own facts in a science based discussion.
Iām generally using calm language. I do not engage in ridicule. I adhere to as good scientific standards as possible and try to explain those in my arguments. Iām certainly not, quote, āfanatical about EZā.
But it is a promising candidate based on a quite unique paper, which is unfortunately not talked about as much as it should be. The paper design uses the reverse logic of what is normally done in observational papers (and with a very thorough methodology), which makes it a lot stronger than simply āfishing for associationā.
Therefore I do object, if people strangely dismiss that finding by engaging in double standards.
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Guest
#54
Youāre avoiding adressing arguments by citing your credentials. Thatās logical fallacy.
Youāre saying that you wouldnāt recommend EZ - because of a lack of evidence. Thatās a valid standard of course - ultimately we need RCTs to have conclusive evidence.
But for my simple question to name a therapy that you do recommend youāre giving a general blog which you expect me to read in full it seems. Instead of giving a specific link to the respective blog post or just naming the substance.
Iām a tenured college lecturer, leader of a working group in a well known NGO and have a family. So I have to spend my time wisely as well. Asking me to figuratively āread my bookā instead of giving a straight answer is not a good style of discussion.
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As for you final comment: the EZ paper is of course not just an in-vitro paper. It uses animal models as well as human observational data to confirm mechanisms and effects.
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Claiming insufficient time is not a valid reason to avoid answering properly. Scientific questions are inherently time-consuming, and critical feedback from academics / medical professionals like Dr. Fraser is valuable. Your comments falls below the forum standards. A lack of time should not excuse unclear or unhelpful responses in scientific discussions which are per definition complex. If you have a family or not is a non-issue.
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Guest
#57
As you hopefully noticed over the past few comments over these days I am actually spending time addressing arguments and concerns, when people dismissed the entire paper in blanket terms - saying that there are much more worthwhile therapies.
Case in point: I was giving direct replies to each of the substances and specific sources pointed out by user dersertshores.
However user DrFraser was not so forthcoming - first basing his entire argument around a very high standard for BBB crossing (which I addressed). And when pointing out the unique study design as a great strength and what he would recommend as a better substanceā¦ ā¦he is instead pointing to a general blog and then disengaging. I even offered to do the necessary read-up about a worthwhile therapy if it could be named.
DrFraser does not seem to have read the actual paper - at least the statements like āin-vitroā is factual no the case as is the claimed lack of relevant pharmacological activity of EZ (the paper is testing and reporting that very activity of EZ in-vitro and in animal model - confirming the mechanism).
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Ok, guys. Remember to go easy on the people and hard on the science. Letās refrain from personal attacks. @DrFraser is a valued member of this community and has dedicated a lot of time to this forum and helping people out. Heās provided a great deal of personalized help thatās gone above and beyond what a normal member does. Thatās also why heās a moderator here.
@Guest many of your comments are appreciated and I too am hopeful about Ezetemibe. I take it daily. We appreciate your contributions, but please letās keep focused on the science. 
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I felt like this thread is coming close to engaging in personal attacks, and thatās one thing we try to avoid on this forum. Weāre all in this together and should be working closely together to analyze the science for better outcomes.
Itās just a friendly reminder not to engage in personal attacks. But go ahead and trash the science as much as you like as long as you back it up. 
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medaura
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Iāve listened to Attiaās conversations with neurologists and researchers and heard them seriously contemplate how drugs that do not cross the BBB can nonetheless have effects on the brain by acting on the peripheral vasculature. In some cases thereās a hidden intermediary that one wouldnāt even think of unless it can be pinpointed. Case in point, klotho, which doesnāt cross the BBB but activates platelet factor 4, which DOES, and apparently works wonders in the brain.
Consider also that people prone to Alzheimerās, most notably apoE4 carriers like you and me, have a defective BBB more prone to leakage and penetration. On its own this is a disadvantage, but if we introduce drugs that could work better by crossing the BBB, it suddenly turns into an advantage.
Penny for your thoughts?
p.s., Iām skeptical of Ezetimibe as I am of anything in general but I see no reason why it couldnāt be true. So Iām agnostic, rather, and leaning on cautious optimism.
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