You got unlucky. That’s why I wrote in my post, “I got extremely lucky”, because I am not arrogant enough to say “gee I had such a good eye/instinct” - I recognize it’s often pure luck. Like when you carefully examine lines to cashiers at a store, and somehow still pick the slowest one - often it’s more luck than skill.

That said, I like you, watched friends and their relationships, and perhaps - bad luck for them, good luck for me, some of them had really bad ones. And I tried to observe what caused such failures. There are of course as many reasons as there are bad relationships, but a few things stuck out to me. A huge one which a friend of mine was really prone to: the woman is extremely attractive or sexy and as a guy you are all in on that aspect to the exclusion of everything else… sounds banal, but you’d be surprised how often folks make that basic error. Like my friend - over and over again, hot girl, then a year later, disaster. So I said to myself - yep, you gotta have some basic attraction (or it won’t work), but you really, really, really have to focus on “but can I live with this person? Do we have anything to talk about? Are we compatible? Are there any deal breakers?” Because if your partner only shines at night, briefly, then that’s really not enough for a long term relationship. That saved me more than once.

MIL - well, that in turn, I think is pretty simple. I’m not a believer, but there is some hard won folk wisdom in the bible, and it does say something to the effect that in marriage a partner leaves his/her family, and cleaves unto their partner. In other words, you LEAVE your family and JOIN your partner in marriage. Doesn’t mean you can’t have a relationship with your biological family, only that the marriage is the PRIORITY. Your partner comes FIRST before anyone else, including your family. Many people don’t believe that, but I think that’s the foundation of marriage - if there is someone more important than your spouse - family, religion/religious figure, etc. - than that will inevitably win over you, and f.ex. your MIL will be more important than you, because she ALREADY is, before marriage. But how do you know ahead of time? Well, you know how teenagers talk - every few minutes you’ll hear “my dad” or “my mom”, parents are such a big part of their lives, it’s only natural. But if your date is 25, or 35, or 45, and they still reference their “mom”, “dad”, “sibling” constantly, then they have not cut the apron strings and are just in an infantile relationship to their family. You’re grown up. You don’t have your parents live in your head 24/7. Doesn’t mean you must abandon your family, just that you must be your own person, not rely on parents for your mental health. A healthy relationship to family is when you can say “love my family but I’m living my OWN life, I have flown the nest when the time came”. Those who have not launched are trouble. My rule of thumb is if somone on a first few dates can’t stop talking about their parents it’s a bad sign - also, if a man/woman talks to their “mom”, or “dad” daily on the phone, or constantly runs to them for every little thing - GOODBYE. They’re mentally a child, no matter if they’re 20 or 50. And a tip - may not be practical - marry someone from a different continent. My wife is European, we live in the U.S. - very good relationship with family, they visit us, we visit them all according to choice and convenience. Never LIVE with the inlaws, best, separate by continent - OK, I’m joking a bit, but hey, it’s worked for me.

Finally - and now I’ll get shouted down and get people really angry at me. My apologies ahead of time. Younger is better. Not because of anything physical, but because as a friend of mine said “their stories are shorter”. Didn’t have time to become embittered, which they inevitably may take out on you; or you get compared; or they become a bit cynical or wary; less flexible; too set in their ways. Now, don’t get me wrong - nothing wrong at all dating older folks - it can be fantastic… it’s just that you are really upping the bar for “luck” here… you must get that much more lucky to find the right one… it’s possible, just harder.

And of course, this should go without saying, but - be the best husband/wife you can possibly be. Because it takes two. If you are fantastic, they’ll be their best and the marriage has a better chance to be a success. The better YOU are, the better the marriage. Don’t only look at “what can he/she do for ME”, but “what can I do for her/him”. Like JFK said in another context “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” - it’s exactly the same when it comes to your spouse. Be generous in every way, emotionally, spiritually, materially, intellectually. Nourish them, and they’ll nourish you. And if despite that, things don’t work out, you can dissolve the relationship with a clear conscience, you did your best. Don’t stay in a bad marriage/relationship. It aint’t worth it - you got one life and you’d be a fool spending it unhappily for whatever reason if you can help it. “Darling, it’s not worth it, let’s move on! Ciao!”.

Best of luck - because I ain’t gonna lie, luck is a HUGE part of it. YMMV.

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Epic post. Lots of good points there.
My wife is 10 years younger than me and we are from different continents, so my choice fitted your advice on those points.
Unfortunately being separated from Hitler’s daughter by about 19,000 kilometres is not quite far enough. And, when I have to go and stay there, it’s pure torture.
I don’t think my wife is overly “attached” to her mother; rather the monster has an overly controlling hold over her daughter. Fortunately, my wife “takes after” her father’s personality and he was a really nice chap.
Sorry that this discussion seems to have drifted away from longevity.

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What about traditional Italian families who often live in three generation households supporting and loving each other?

The divorce rates in Italy and the United States differ significantly:

  • Italy: The divorce rate is relatively low, with about 1.1 divorces per 1,000 people².
  • United States: The divorce rate is higher, standing at approximately 2.7 divorces per 1,000 people⁴.

This means that the United States has more than double the divorce rate of Italy.

Source: Conversation with Copilot, 8/23/2024
(1) Divorce Rates in the World [Updated 2024]. Divorce Rates in the World [Updated 2024].
(2) Divorce Rates by Country 2024 - datapandas.org. Divorce Rates by Country 2024.
(3) Italy Vs United States: Family and Social Structures. Italy Vs United States: Family and Social Structures - Life in Italy.
(4) Divorce Rates by Country 2024 - World Population Review. Divorce Rates by Country 2024.
(5) Marriages and Divorces - Our World in Data. Marriages and Divorces - Our World in Data.

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It’s a cultural thing driven by socio-economic factors. More traditional models exhibited multigenerational living arrangements simply because it is economically advantageous. Social security, retirement and pensions didn’t exist, so mom & pops lived with their adult children, same idea in Confucionism, the obligation was codified, because the society was not wealthy enough to afford independent living arrangements for all. Traditional families had tons of kids for similar reasons, especially in a rural setting: lower survival child rates, free labor source, retirement scheme. That’s true to this day.

Yet as the society becomes wealthier, child mortality drops, productivity increases, and retirement becomes economically feasible, fertility rates drop drastically. Fewer kids. Less multigenerational living arrangements. That is a universal process in every culture. You want multigenerational living? Live in a poor society - look at Africa or Asia or Europe. As soon as people become wealthier, they have fewer kids, and the kids strike out on their own forming independent households and single living arrangements. That’s true in every society and culture the world over, no exceptions. Confucian obligations are being abandoned with incredible speed in Asia, right in pace with economic growth, whether Japan, Korea, China or wherever. “Traditional” Italian families are very rapidly becoming less traditional and are following the models of modern wealthy society. Remember, Italy was a pretty poor country until 2-3 generations ago, so there is still that traditional family arrangements overhang - but it is changing very rapidly.

Divorce rates go up, and marriage rates go down as soon as education levels go up and women start working and are no longer dependent on their husbands. That’s true in every single culture. Divorce rates are higher today in Italy, than in the past. You want fewer divorces? Keep the women poor, uneducated, with no option to earn an independent living, burden them with tons of kids, and make divorce legally difficult. Presto. Strangely, as women become more educated and have more options, they have fewer kids.

Rural to urban population migration. You want more traditional living arrangements, where everyone lived on top of each other and everyone was in each other’s business and divorce unknown (bonus: domestic violence, abuse and few economic opportunities), go live in a village. As civilization progressed, people migrated to cities and economic development exploded. The rural population steadily dropped and became urbanized. Way of the world. People lived multigenerationally in villages and stuck together because it was the only way to survive. The smaller the village or town, the fewer opportunities for development.

Yes, you can have lower divorce rates, but are the people happier? Here is the shocking truth - often yes, but for reasons that nobody would freely choose. Keep people ignorant, and they won’t know what they are missing. That’s a big reason behind culture wars and keeping education levels low - see Taliban and all conservative efforts the world over to deny women education and agency, and keep the population at a low development levels. Why such protests “we don’t want our society exposed to Western culture” - people who don’t know what they are missing are more pliable - for really low divorce rates go to Afghanistan (bonus: forced child marriages). When people have no options, and no awareness that things can be different, they adjust, have no expectations, no longing, and are happy. But back to the shocking: freedom and opportunity is not for everyone. Many can’t handle freedom and the responsibility that comes with it. They have choices and don’t know how to choose. They’re lost, and unhappy. They’d rather the choice were made for them, their spouse arranged for them, trad wife, trad family, trad life; fewer choices, more happiness. Arranged marriages have often high success rates and happiness. Most people would rather be told what to do. When you don’t know you have options, you don’t struggle psychologically and life is simpler. So to answer your question, yes, traditional families can be happier families. No, that’s not life for everyone - but maybe for the majority? Which is why even in highly developed societies, there are constant efforts to “bring back traditional families, traditional values, outlaw divorce, keep the woman at home, have more kids, work and pray, back to the village or small town”. Freedom, opportunities and choice all come with burdensome responsibility. For many, it’s too hard, and they’re happier in traditional structures. In other words: humanity.

I will call BS on saying ‘Goodbye’ to your parents. I talk to my father on the phone daily while commuting to work. He’s probably my best friend. We talk about anything and everything and it’s a great way to reduce my stress and to process anything bothering me.

Plus, he’s profoundly interested in longevity and Rapamycin. Strong family bonds leads to lower anxiety and stress as well as a longer lifespan.

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It’s the healthiest relationship between you and your parents that contribute to your and their emotional wellbeing.

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I must have no sense of humor, as I didn’t get what was so hilarious. The fact that his wife is described as “looking like the Goodyear Blimp”, or that he states he is “repulsed” by her body?
I’m by far not overweight, but imho: it only takes a moment to imagine the miserable feeling if you learned a partner was making such comments on a forum about you.
I’m genuinely wondering: if your potential partner had written a similar story online that he was repulsed by your body as you are now in your 60s and an old hag, would you still find this hilarious?
It reminded me of this saying: "Don’t do unto others what you don’t want done unto you.”

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It was hilarious for me because the description of his mother-in-law is so accurate! I personally know many mothers-in-law in Russia who fit the description. It was funny how typical it is for the country I left behind 36 years ago. I’m not surprised that you didn’t get my reaction. And it’s not about sense of humor or lack of it, it’s about huge cultural differences between here and there. And those who are not familiar with cultural specifics of that part of the world would t get the humorous part of the story.

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Let’s agree to disagree and leave it at that. You sang his praises with regard to what you now express would be a hilarious description of his mother-in-law, but the utter contempt towards his wife in the same breath apparently is overlooked and not an issue.

I thought that Does Marriage Age You Faster was moved to a humor section. Am I mistaken? I don’t think we should judge anybody on this forum.

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“Without marriage there are no children” Hahahaha good one

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