#208

When someone denies LDL cholesterol

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#209

Oops, I thought he was sleeping!

#210

ACV, in water, sweetened with glycine, makes it a nice before bedtime drink.

You can mix it with chamomile tea, if you want. You get double sleep benefits (glycine and chamomile). Chamomile also has blood glucose benefits.

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#211

More evidence of the French paradox.

France is second to the bottom (182). South Korea is absolute bottom (183).

Based on country stats, Biden and Trump (mention is by alphabetical placement) will have a better chance of CVD survival than Putin - USA (142), Russia (27). Zelensky is in a bad spot (4).

Bring on the wine, butter, and foie gras. Or maybe kimchi.

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#212

Your last post on the French Paradox said this:
“Northern Ireland has one of the highest death rates due to heart disease in the world while France has one of the lowest. A comparison between the diets of middle-aged men in Belfast and in Toulouse which was published as long ago as 1995 provides some fascinating insights which are highly relevant to anyone interested in understanding how diet and health/disease are related.”
But Ireland looks pretty good on the chart here. And when you mention Putin and Russia, I again think of heavy alcohol consumption. Certainly for South Korea and Japan you would think that diet plays a big part.

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#213

That was a comparison between the French and the Irish, not a world comparison.

With regard to alcohol,

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/alcohol-consumption-per-capita/country-comparison/

the French (8) and Irish (15) seem to drink more than the Russians (56).

#214

A quick run through on Google search indicates that it’s debatable about Russia and alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_in_Russia
https://www.joinreframeapp.com/blog-post/alcohol-consumption-by-country-which-nations-drink-the-most
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/world/europe/russia-coronavirus-alcoholism.html
With the New York Times saying that Covid caused Vodka sales to shoot up 65% and not just to sterilize their hands, Russians thought drinking it would sterilize their bodies. (God love 'em!)
But I was surprised at how much the French drink.
How heavy drinking (apart from the French Paradox and wine with meals) relates to heart disease is something I need to look into more.

#215

The leading cause of death in France is Ischaemic Heart Disease (102.2) by a longshot. Followed by nasopharyngeal cancers (80.3) and Alzheimer’s and Dementia (51.8).

Maybe they just have an awesome socialized medical system.

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#216

The top countries discussed above - French, Japanese and South Koreans are also generally less obese and less large muscle based?

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#217

Could vitamin k2 be the silver bullet? Foie gras in France. Chongkukjang in Korea… In third place… Japan has Natto.

The highest sources of vitamin k2 are:
Chongkukjang, natto and foie gras…
A coincidence??:thinking:

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#218

French and Russians probably drink different kind of alcohol. French prefer red wines and Russians - vodka.

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#219

Certainly that appears to be true. Especially if you include beer for the French. And I think the guess would be that beer and wine aren’t as detrimental to your health as hard spirits (vodka).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1219157/favorite-alcoholic-beverages-france/
Again, Covid made the alcohol problem worse.
" Among the main motivations for alcohol consumption, the need to counteract depressive affects or stress is prominent, and many studies have shown that the co-occurrence of these disorders potentiates the negative effects in terms of prognosis. In a vicious circle, it is feared that the climate of anxiety could mechanically increase the factors favoring alcohol consumption."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9690663/

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#220

It’s the dose rather than the type.

Low to moderate alcohol consumption improves endothelial health. Heavy alcohol consumption impairs endothelial health.

Alcohol And Endothelial Function: A Brief Review - Puddey - 2001 - Clinical and Experimental Pharmacology and Physiology - Wiley Online Library

In spite of the dose-related effects of alcohol consumption to increase blood pressure, regular light to moderate alcohol intake appears to confer protection against both coronary artery disease and ischaemic stroke. In contrast, heavy alcohol consumption increases the risk of coronary artery disease and the risk of both haemorrhagic and ischaemic stroke.

#221

But the French drink a lot (surprised me, too) and not just wine. Yet they have very low rate of heart disease.

#222

Have you ever had vodka is Russia? — its as brutal as their cigarettes…I might argue that most Russians drink industrial poison vodka, and not the nice bespoke artisanal vodka than most of us on this forum likely drink (if ever). This is versus French wine which is meticulously protected from industrialization (different from American industrialized wine with its additives and processes). What i am ineffectively suggesting is the alcohol may not necessarily be the difference here, only the industrialized processing. Just a possibility.

(Sorry: upon reading this i really didnt like my tone — ita a bit too aggressive. Maybe a sign of “youth” according to some of the participants in another [LDL] thread…. Or just the the three cups of coffee i had this morning. At any rate i apologize if this was aggressive, @LaraPo. )

#223

Good catch!
https://openheart.bmj.com/content/8/2/e001715
And specifically the MK7 form of Vit D
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7238900/
I would be leery of recommending Foie Gras though (what am I? chopped liver?) because of it’s negative connotations (Let them eat cake.).

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#224

Yeah, grow up! :wink: And:
“Russians drink industrial poison vodka, and not the nice bespoke artisanal vodka than most of us on this forum likely drink.”
Quit sounding elitist!..see my comment above about Foie Gras.

#225

No, Eric, I did not (fortunately?). I don’t drink alcohol at all, which is a kind of extreme nowadays. I don’t believe in any benefits of alcohol consumption, even moderately. The same benefits are easily achieved through other benevolent sources without overload on liver, pancreas and kidneys. So I don’t have personal experience to share, besides that two of my former classmates in Russia died at early age from liver cirrhoses.

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#226

A friend of mine went to Russia in 1991 and brought back some Russian vodka. OH MY GOD that was harsh stuff. It was like trying to drink an industrial solvent. Worse than the cheapest tequila I drank in college. Cost less than $1 for a half-liter, lmao.

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#227

This is very likely a factor with Russia just over 30% obese, France 17% and Japan, an amazing 4.5%.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country

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