I take 5 g of creatine monohydrate daily and my egfr has not fallen much. It’s at 108. Cystatin C is 0.85. Both are great.

I also take 12.5 mg of empagliflozin daily as I want to keep my kidneys in great shape going forward.

Many people think about taking a flozin when their kidneys are in trouble. That’s like not changing the oil in your car until you hear clunking noises from the engine.

I’m taking empagliflozin proactively to keep my kidneys in top condition. It’s like changing the oil every 3 months. It may be a little too much, but I’m not going to freeze up my engine.

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How is the pricing on quest? I’m moderately satisfied with labcorps, because in my area they seem to have more tests, and they are cheaper. I also use fitomics, which has just started adding more tests to choose from.

You’re right David…I am doing 10 mg creatine. 5 mg morning… 5 mg more end of day before gym workout.

Doing weekly 200 mg 1 ml cypionate too.
My Hematocrit is good- last blood test 48.2 high normal. I will keep an eye on it now that I am using an SGLT2 inhibitor.

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I’m doing Fitomics as well. I haven’t really gone and compared the prices between Quest and LabCorp directly, but either way I’m sticking w/Quest due to the factors I mentioned above.

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Really not sure what makes Henagliflozin special. From what I can see it’s a typical “me too” drug, but of course, I might have missed something. Approved in China and not many other places doesn’t make me enthusiastic unless there’s some independent studies outside of China. But it seems fairly new, so probably not many studies. Not sure why we should be excited over it, but hey, the more the merrier, options are always good.

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The effect is probably not limited to henagliflozin. So that’s good news for all SGLT2i users.

Real-world observations of GLP-1 receptor agonists and SGLT-2 inhibitors as potential treatments for Alzheimer’s disease 2025

We identified GLP-1 receptor agonist initiation compared to DPP-4 inhibitors initiation was associated with a reduced risk of AD (hazard ratio [HR] ≤ 0.69 and P value < 0.001) and SGLT-2 inhibitor initiation compared to DPP-4 inhibitor initiation was associated with a reduced risk of AD (HR ≤ 0.67 and P value < 0.001).
Two GLP-1 receptor agonists (liraglutide and semaglutide) and three SGLT-2 inhibitors (dapagliflozin, canagliflozin, and empagliflozin) are associated with a reduced risk of AD in drug-specific sensitivity analyses.

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I’ve switched all my blood work from LabCorp to Quest. At least in my area, the difference in service is night and day better w/Quest. LabCorp is overbooked, understaffed, and getting my results is like pulling teeth. Quest automatically releases each test result as it comes in, whereas LabCorp waits until ALL results have come in before releasing anything unless you go to their website and request special permission EVERY TIME to get “preliminary results”. :roll_eyes:

I recently used Quest (through Ulta) for the first time and that was my experience as well. Ulta also offers a greater variety of tests and at better prices compared to Marek

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Semaglutide is looking good, but what the heck is going on with ertugliflozin, some kind of artifact(?) - wide CI bars.

And from the paper:

“The effects of GLP-1 receptor agonists, SGLT-2 inhibitors, and DPP-4 inhibitors in AD and PD remain inconclusive in subgroups.”

What subgroups are they talking about wrt. PD?

Also looking at Fig. 3A, in “under or normal weight” SGLT2 was not protective for AD (in contrast to 3B), though wide CI bars, maybe the difference between 3A and 3B is the inclusion of “under” in 3A (Clinformatics).

Let’s keep in mind, these were older cohorts, understandably for AD (prevalence), but a pity no younger cohorts for PD. Also generally disappointing for PD.

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Subgroups are for AD and PD. I assume they meant “obese”, “diabetic”, “young”, “old”, etc.

3.4 Other results
For PD, no consistent differences were observed in all comparisons (GLP-1 receptor agonist vs. DPP-4 inhibitors, SGLT-2 inhibitors vs. DPP-4 inhibitors, and GLP-1 receptor agonists vs. SGLT-2 inhibitors; Figures S12–S15 in supporting information). Full results of Cox models in overall analyses of Clinformatics data are presented in Tables S5–S7 in supporting information.

SGLT2 actually look quite good (0.69 [0.47–0.99], p=0.047 in “all”, might be even better in normal weight white males?):

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Dapagliflozin effect on anemia outcomes in patients with diabetes and CKD 2025

Dapagliflozin was associated with significant improvements in hemoglobin levels and anemia correction in patients with T2DM and CKD. However, an increased risk of IDA, particularly in female patients, warrants careful monitoring. The protective effects of dapagliflozin against ESA initiation highlight its potential role in anemia management. However, due to the observational design, causality cannot be definitively inferred.

Sodium glucose co-transporter 2 inhibitors (SGLT2Is) effect on erectile dysfunction (ED) in patients with chronic kidney disease (CKD) 2025

Both SGLT2Is were associated with highly significant improvement in kidney function as well as IIEF-5 (P < 0.001 in all).

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This. Just like ApoB and GGT, Cystatin-C shoulder be on all standard lab tests. Maybe in 20 years.

0.85 is good. No need to worry about numbers like eGFR with a Cystatin-C like this. EGFR fluctuates by 10-20 for me depending on the lab draw but my Cystatin C is 0.64 so I know it’s most likely hydration related if I’m seeing screwy eGFR or BUN/Creatinine numbers.

I also love proactive approach. I use it more with cardiovascular prevention in mind since I know my kidneys are in good shape.

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Fasting insulin too!

First SGLT2I study I’ve seen in dogs, but too bad they haven’t tested empa or dapa in dogs (yet), since these could be an alternative anti-aging strategy to rapamycin.

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FWIW, I’ve put my 15yo cat on dapagliflozin 5mg/day, he’s been on it since the beginning of July. Nothing to report symptomwise, possible 1/4lb weight loss. I’ll have him tested for kidney function (serum and urine) in late November, or December. I’ve described the reasons in the cat thread and cited studies. He’s also on 2mg/1-week of rapamycin (his weight: 12lbs) for skin cancer.

Also, a couple of newer flozins (including bexaglifozin) have been approved by the FDA for cats (indication: diabetes).

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Actually I found a couple of studies with canagliflozin in beagles, but there’s nothing as of yet with any others.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.119.017483

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If you have both Medicare and commercial insurance, you can usually get Costco Pharmacy to take the coupon for Jardiance, provided you tell them to avoid Medicare for Jardiance. Technically the prohibition only applies if you use Medicare insurance, but many pharmacies (and also the manufacturers that issue the coupon) apply the prohibition if you HAVE Medicare insurance, regardless of whether you use Medicare or not.

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Very interesting, comparing SGLT2 (dapagliflozin) vs GLP-1 (liraglutide) vs acarbose: Dapagliflozin restores odour-induced functional integration of primary olfactory cortex circuit but not olfactory-related regional brain activation in patients with type 2 diabetes: A 16-week randomised comparative study 2025

Results: After 16 weeks, dapagliflozin restored odour-induced functional integration of the POC-sensorimotor cortex-middle temporal cortex circuit (Gaussian random field correction applied), whereas liraglutide and acarbose did not. Dapagliflozin also tended to improve attention (p = 0.071). In contrast, liraglutide enhanced odour-induced activation in the left hippocampus, which was not observed with dapagliflozin and acarbose. The decreased odour-induced directed FC was associated with changes in lipid levels, olfactory threshold, executive function and memory performance (all p < 0.05).

The associations between FC and metabolism, cognitive scores and olfactory behaviour provide additional insights into the neuroprotective effects of dapagliflozin. The decreased FC was positively associated with improvements in lipid levels (LDL-C and TC), which indicates that reductions of high cholesterol induced by dapagliflozin may have protective effects. Because LDL-C is a modifiable risk factor for dementia.46 The decreased FC was correlated with changes in olfactory threshold, executive function, and immediate and delayed memory. This suggests that modulation of the POC circuit may not only reflect changes in brain connectivity but also serve as a biomarker for cognitive and olfactory improvements in patients with T2D. Furthermore, the observed relationship between improved odour threshold and delayed memory suggested that olfactory function could be linked to memory performance, highlighting the potential of olfactory tests as early markers for cognitive decline in patients with T2D.

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That is an amazing paper, Antoine! It’s Chinese, so I would love to see it replicated elsewhere, but assuming everything is legit, it’s a very rich paper.

From my point of view, it heavily underlines something I think about all the time, and we all frequently speculate about: to what degree do these drugs have benefits for healthy users, i.e. people who don’t have the indication for which these drugs have been developed. We know that as pathologies develop (such as diabetes), the body attempts to ameliorate some negative effects through compensatory mechanisms, and therefore those bodies are different from healthy bodies not just because of the original defect and the subsequent pathology, but also because of compensatory mechanisms ameliorating aspects of the pathology. Therefore drugs addressing the pathology might act very differently in healthy bodies without that pathology, or compensatory mechanisms. This has similarities to situations where some physiological changes associated with aging can be adaptive mechanisms.

In any case, this is another cautionary note, to not assume that just because a drug has benefit X (like e.g. neuroprotection, dementia, etc.) in, say, diabetics, it will have the same effect in non-diabetics, perhaps be even harmful. A ton of studies showing neurological benefits and dementia risk reduction of SGLT2i and GLP-1RA is in diabetics - more interesting for those of us without T2DM is what the effect is in our cohort.

Here we see this illustrated (my bold and italics) - from the paper:

“After 16 weeks of dapagliflozin treatment, the FC in the POC-sensorimotor cortex-middle temporal cortex circuit was restored under odour stimulation, but liraglutide or acarbose did not. More specifically, odour-induced directed FC from bPOC to left PreCG/PostCG and IFG, and FC from left PreCG/PostCG to right middle temporal gyrus decreased compared to baseline of diabetes, but no difference from normal control. The reduction towards normative levels may reflect normalisation of compensatory signalling. These results suggest that in the absence of structural or functional abnormalities of POC, odour-induced functional integration of the POC circuit in patients with T2D is compensatory, and this functional integration can be restored by dapagliflozin treatment. This POC circuit involves the integration of multisensory input, motor function and memory processes.32-35

For those of us without T2DM, we need more studies in a healthy cohort, such as those where SGLT2i are used in HF (or other CVD) without concomitant T2DM: impact on risk of dementia and NDD.

A separate interest would be whether the variegated and differential benefits of dapa vs lira seen in this paper would stack or interfere with each other if taken together, perhaps dose or sequence dependent, plus again also in non-diabetics.

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I tried to commission researchers to look at that HF and CKD cohorts but these indications were approved more recently so we don’t have enough data yet to get some signal.

However we have Mendelian randomization. And life extension in mice. So I’m more confident with SGLT2i than GLP-1RAs.

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Association of SGLT2 inhibitors and GLP-1 receptor agonists with the risk of Parkinson’s disease in patients with type 2 diabetes: A propensity score–matched cohort study with meta-analysis 2025

In total, 93,872, 110,366, and 95,838 patients were included in the SGLT2i vs. DPP4i, GLP-1RA vs. DPP4i, and SGLT2i vs. GLP-1RA comparisons, respectively. SGLT2i users had a significantly lower risk of PD compared with both DPP4i users (HR = 0.80, 95 % CI: 0.69–0.93, p = 0.003) and GLP-1RA users (HR = 0.80, 95 % CI: 0.69–0.93, p = 0.003). No significant difference was observed between GLP-1RA and DPP4i users (HR = 0.97, 95 % CI: 0.85–1.10, p = 0.656). The meta-analysis further supported the reduced PD risk associated with SGLT2i use.

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