Yes, I’ve noticed the same. If you front load drinking fluids in the morning, you urinate less at night.

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I’m thinking of switching to Dapagliflozin since Jardiance has got more pricey. I’ve been qouted a generic called Dapaford that’s super cheap—£10 for 150 10mg tablets. But I’m not sure about which brands are good - Does anyone have any recommendations for reliable generic Dapagliflozin brands?

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combination of an SGLT-2 inhibitor drug and a moderately calorie-restrictive diet provides higher rates of type 2 diabetes remission

While type 2 diabetes can be managed with medications and lifestyle changes, only about 5%of people with this form of diabetes will ever achieve disease remission.

“Diabetes has been considered as an incurable illness and is dependent on medication for [a] lifetime,” Xiaoying Li, MD, PhD, professor and director of the Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism at Zhongshan Hospital Fudan University in China explained to Medical News Today.

“Diabetes complications gradually occur as diabetes progresses. Thus, it is important to find a strategy to stop the progression of diabetes for prevention of the complications,” he added.

Li is the lead author of a new study recently published in The BMJ Trusted Source, which found that the combination of a sodium glucose cotransporter 2 (SGLT-2) inhibitor drug — commonly used to treat type 2 diabetes — with a moderately calorie-restrictive diet provides higher rates of remission compared to just calorie restriction alone.

Open Access Paper:

Dapagliflozin plus calorie restriction for remission of type 2 diabetes: multicentre, double blind, randomised, placebo controlled trial

Remission of diabetes was achieved in 44% (73/165) of patients in the dapagliflozin group and 28% (46/163) of patients in the placebo group

https://www.bmj.com/content/388/bmj-2024-081820

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The studies on SGLT2i’s have shown remarkable benefits in my opinion. Giving people with type 2 diabetes a second chance to recover their metabolic health is huge. I just received some dapagliflozin and look forward to trialing it.

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I just ordered some Oxra Dapagliflozin 10mg by Sun Pharma. So much cheaper than Jardiance which seems to have gone up in price when ordering from india. Hopefully I won’t start getting cramps again when I make the switch.

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It also lowers uric acid by 10-15%. May be enough to repress potential gout flares.

Yes, and my problem related to this is that it lowers my Uric Acid levels too much… but this is perhaps another good reason to pulse dose canagliflozin (1, 2 or 3 weeks on, then 1 or 2 weeks off?)

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A good discussion on the Canagliflozin research and beliefs:

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If you are willing to share, was your Uric Acid on the low side before starting canagliflozin and what dosage were you taking?

Sorry - I didn’t track Uric acid before, and really didn’t start regular blood testing until after starting rapamycin, etc. about 5 years ago. I’m typically taking 12.5 mg of empagliflozin (splitting a 25mg tablet).

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Short yt video summarizing the main points of consideration in picking between theses two drugs:

Choosing SGLT2 Inhibitors vs GLP-1 Receptor Agonists

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Important to note that this video is 2 years old.

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I listened to Round Table podcast with Peter Attia and all. They discussed GLP-1 Receptor agonists as antiaging. They all think they may have some role, but agreed that more research is needed.
Do you feel comfortable recommending that everyone take GLP-1 and SGLT2 inhibitors together for prevention of dementia or other negative effects of aging before we have more information?
How many of you take both types of medications without having diabetes or obesity, just for antiaging and why?
Thank you!

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I feel comfortable with SGLT2i for anti-aging. We have of course some evidence for canagliflozin from the ITP, and there is the issue of SGLT2i vs SGLT1i. I however take empagliflozin, gambling that it is no worse than canagliflozin when it comes to longevity benefits. I’m comfortable taking it, because of extensive human trials, where it shows pretty robust evidence for a variety of benefits even in non-diabetics with preserved kidney function. I do not have the same confidence wrt. GLP-1 agonists, although, I think a gamble on semaglutide specifically is not a bad one, the rest I am not confident about at all. I just don’t see the point of GLP-1 agonists for me, I don’t need or want to lose weight, and evidence for pleiotropic benefits including brain is as yet not robust enough for me personally to gamble on.

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Are you still thinking about Rapamycin or taking it? So much gambling with our health! Are had so many very old patients in their 90’ who were in a reasonably good health without gambling. Many of them did not eat too much, most did not exercise but kept busy. The people in the blue zone communities are very similar to the patients in my practice who lived long lives. BTW, many did not have children.
I have been thinking about the gambling and feel uncomfortable to recommend Rapamycin, SGLT2i or GLP-1 agonists to my sons who are in their late 40’s like Bryan Johnson.

I’ve been taking rapamycin starting in January, once a week, first 3mg, then 4mg, then 5mg, and now twice 6mg. From here on, I will continue taking rapamycin once a week 6mg, until late March, early April, when I will undergo a battery of tests, including rapamycin levels in my blood. I will look at the results of these tests, and review my health journal wherein I daily carefully note all health related events and procedures. At that point, I will re-evaluate whether to continue with the 6mg/week, or escalate - in any case, I would probably not escalate beyond 10mg/week. If I do escalate, obviously, I will continue to carefully monitor and test frequently.

I do not feel the empagliflozin is much of a gamble for a healthy person with healthy habits. Extensive studies in non-diabetics and those with normal kidney function have shown that these are remarkably safe drugs on the whole. Of course, there are some risks, such as urogenitary infections, but it really seems pretty context dependent, and fairly minimal in healthy subjects. Meanwhile, the benefits seem fairly robust. It seems to me the risk reward ratio makes these drugs a very attractive intervention regardless of your health status.

With regard to rapamycin, obviously the picture is much more murky. It represents much more of a gamble. On the positive side, it appears that rapa is relatively a very safe drug. The human trials are thin on the ground, but those that exist, focus primarily on the safety - like the recent PEARL trial. There are some side effects, but none seem very oneorous, and more importantly seem to resolve upon cessation of treatment - again, this means that even if you experience negative effects, you can safely bail out without damage. The problem with rapamycin is that we don’t have very good measures or biomarkers with which we can track any prospective benefits of rapamycin - how do we know it’s doing anything positive for our health or longevity? All we have is anecdotal evidence, which is of course hardly satisfying. Basically - we don’t know. It therefore represents a gamble. Another problem that is somewhat related, is that we really don’t have a satisfactory handle on optimal dosing and frequence protocols.

So how to think of the rapamycin gamble? On the pro side:

1)It appears quite safe

2)The side effects are manageable

3)It has delivered health and/or longevity benefits all along the evolutionary tree, and it appears the mechanism is preserved - worms, mice, dogs/cats(?), marmosets. What are the odds that suddenly the gravy train stops with humans? Not zero, but not terribly high, seems to me.

Cons:

1)There can be side effects, sometimes bad enough that the intervention does need to be stopped

2)It can potentially disrupt glucose and lipid levels, necessitating the addition of drugs to control these, leading to polypharmacy

3)It can potentially present challenges if one expects surgery, exposure to high bacterial counts, perhaps unknown DDI (drug drug interactions).

4)It might not provide any tangible benefits in humans or in particular individuals

So if I look at the balance of pros vs cons, it strikes me as a reasonable gamble. What is persuasive to me, is the relatively small downside to taking rapamycin. The benefits may be speculative, but with minimal downside, it’s a “GO” for me. Obviously, that is an individual calculus, that each of us would have to make for themselves.

If I were in the same age group as your sons (I am much older - 66), I personally would not hesitate to take both an SGLT2i like empagliflozin and rapamycin. But that’s me, and my risk/reward calculus!

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I take an SGLT2I and Rapamycin. I do not take a GLP-1 drug as there are too many unknowns and a risk around losing lean muscle mass. @CronosTempi pretty much sums up my position on SGLT2IS and Rapamycin exactly. I take 14 mg of Rapamycin equivalent every 2 weeks.

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You can simply avoid the lean muscle loss by doing strength training, and but less importantly eat adequate protein. There’s no reason to say it decreases lean muscle mass – that’s always the case during weight loss unless you exercise. The benefit outweighs the risks for those who have a sustained obesity or overweight problem, that’s for sure.

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Have you noticed anything positive or negative from taking rapa? I agree with your post but in my case I decided not to take it. The lack of biomarkers + perceived benefits is an issue to me. (However the only way to know if I would feel benefits from rapa is to try rapa…)

No, so far I have not felt any effects whatsoever, with one possible exception. I have a daily health journal wherein I note all health related events, and so far no effect on exercise performance or recovery. The one possible exception is a decrease in appetite leading to slightly lower food intake. I try to maintain a very steady caloric intake, but I simply could not force myself to complete my meals. The deficit I estimate at approximately 150-180 cal/day. However, it is highly uncertain whether it is a rapamycin effect, because I have never read anywhere of rapamycin affecting appetite, so I don’t know what to make of it. I don’t know if this is a transient effect, so far I have had it for the past seven days. Energy levels, sleep, mental performance, mood, skin, dental health, bowel regularity, all no change.

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