adssx
#342
We should maybe suggest them to test sotagliflozin or empagliflozin next year: Suggestions for ITP drugs to test - #113 by RapAdmin
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It must be the potential for negative effects that kept Cana off the list. But Iām guessing.
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adssx
#344
Yes, the risk/reward ratio seems better with empa and dapa.
Regarding sota, if anyone has access to this comment, Iād love to read it: Dual SGLT1 and SGLT2 inhibitor sotagliflozin achieves FDA approval: landmark or landmine?. It starts with:
āNo one knows what the benefits or risks of inhibiting SGLT1 in the heart might be.ā
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adssx
#345
Just found this recent comparison: Comparative Cardiovascular Benefits of Individual SGLT2 Inhibitors in Type 2 Diabetes and Heart Failure: A Systematic Review and Network Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled trials
Based on surface under the cumulative ranking curve (SUCRA), the top ranked SGLT2i for reducing HFH were canagliflozin (95.5%), sotagliflozin (66.0%) and empagliflozin (57.2%). Head-to-head comparisons found no significant differences between individual SGLT2i in reducing CV death. āAdd-onā SGLT2i reduced all-cause mortality compared with SoC alone, although only dapagliflozin was statistically significant. [ā¦] Among them, canagliflozin may be considered the preferred treatment for patients with diabetes and a history of heart failure, but it may also be associated with an increased risk of any adverse events compared to other SGLT2i. However, a sensitivity analysis focusing on HF-specific trials identified sotagliflozin as the most likely agent to reduce CV-death/HFH, followed by empagliflozin and dapagliflozin.
The journal seems OK, but thereās an ongoing scandal regarding Thai publications ( Surge in number of āextremely productiveā authors concerns scientists ), so I donāt know how reliable this study isā¦
Also this: Sotagliflozin: Efficacy, Safety, and Potential Therapeutic Applications in Heart Failure
Where sotagliflozin will be adopted into the treatment of HF is unclear due to the evidence and benefits of already established SGLT2 inhibitors and the need for comparison with SGLT2 inhibitors. [ā¦] Given the limitations of currently available evidence, including difficulty in fully interpreting the trial results due to changes in primary endpoints, not adjudicating the events, and not reaching the original power calculations, more investigation is warranted to determine the benefit of sotagliflozin compared with SGLT2 inhibitors.
SGLT2 inhibitors and risk reduction for mortality in high-risk patients: a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials
No differences were observed in the effect of empagliflozin and dapagliflozin on CV death (HRempagliflozin: 0.81; 95% CI 0.68-0.97, HRdapagliflozin: 0.88; 0.82-0.95, p=0.39) and all-cause death (HRempagliflozin: 0.86; 95% CI 0.73-1.02, HRdapagliflozin: 0.87; 0.78-0.97, p=0.94).
My two cents based on all the above: the differences donāt seem massive between the various SGLT2i, empa and dapa seem safer and as efficient if not more than cana, and sota is promising but hasnāt been tested enough.
By the way, this computational drug repurposing paper identified dapagliflozin and canagliflozin as top candidates for Alzheimerās disease (see Figure 3): [2311.09596] Generating Drug Repurposing Hypotheses through the Combination of Disease-Specific Hypergraphs
I asked the authors why sotagliflozin is not ranked; it could be because it was not yet FDA-approved when they ran the algorithm.
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FWIW:
"We found similar reductions in worsening HF with empagliflozin, canagliflozin and dapagliflozin. However, *empagliflozin was associated with a greater reduction in all-cause and cardiovascular mortality.
āComparative efficacy of sodium-glucose cotransporter-2 inhibitors (SGLT2i) for cardiovascular outcomes in type 2 diabetes: a systematic review and network meta-analysis of randomised controlled trialsā
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https://sci-hub.se/10.1007/s10741-020-09954-8
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adssx
#347
Thanks. One caveat: itās based on data āup to August 12, 2019ā. Given how recent SGLT2i are (first approved in 2012 in the EU and 2013 in the US), newer papers may lead to different results.
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I like this idea⦠I am shocked that the ITP only had 28 submissions last year, so I think we need to increase the suggestions given all the compounds we see that are interesting. It would be interesting to tease out the benefits of SGLT2 vs. SGLT1 inhibition in longevity.
And we should scrape our forums for other good compounds to suggest they test. We have about 3 months to do this.
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I think 28 was the number of proposals that made it through the vetting process. Not sure how many ill-formed or poor quality proposals were tossed before consideration. Matt Kaeberlein probably knows.
You have to follow a certain format or template to be considered. Any researcher could probably provide it.
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adssx
#350
Iād be more than happy to work on this. The best way is probably to create Wiki posts here using the Discourse feature ( What is a Wiki Post? - users - Discourse Meta ):
- One listing all compounds suggested by the community, with links to detailed posts (below),
- Then, for each of these drugs, one wiki post with the dossier defending the drug. The format is easy; itās described in great detail here ( Application Instructions | National Institute on Aging ), so we could have an empty template for each compound that members would fill up with the required information.
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adssx
#353
Amazing, thanks for sharing!
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āIn matched patients, empagliflozin, dapagliflozin, and canagliflozin were associated with a significantly lower risk of sight-threatening retinopathy than DPP-4i, pioglitazone, and sulfonylureas (eg, vs DPP-4i: AHR, 0.53 [95% CI, 0.40-0.72]; 0.54 [95% CI, 0.48-0.62]; and 0.65 [95% CI, 0.57-0.74], respectively; P < .001) (eTable 5 in Supplement 1). Also in the matched cohorts, SGLT2i compared with DPP-4I, pioglitazone, and sulfonylurea was associated with a significantly lower risk of dialysis (eg, vs DPP-4i: AHR, 0.05; 95% CI, 0.03-0.08; P < .001), hospitalizations for heart failure (eg, vs DPP-4i: AHR, 0.47; 95% CI, 0.41-0.52; P < .001), and severe hypoglycemia (eg, vs DPP-4i: AHR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.38-0.51; P < .001) (eTable 6 in Supplement 1).ā
āAnother meta-analysis reported that ertugliflozin and empagliflozin could reduce the risk of retinal disease, whereas canagliflozin could increase the risk of vitreous disease.ā
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adssx
#354
I dug a bit more, eTable 5 in Supplement 1 (āSupplemental contentā tab) shows that empagliflozin and dapagliflozin are way more protective than canagliflozin to lower the risk of sight-threatening retinopathy. Empa and data are almost identical (except when compared to Pioglitazone, where empa is way better than dapa). However, empa has tiny numbers of users, although the results are still statistically significant, so I would not be surprised if, with larger numbers, empa was shown to be more protective than dapa.
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adssx
#355
Old paper (2014) but good charts: Dapagliflozin as Monotherapy in Drug-Naive Asian Patients With Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus: A Randomized, Blinded, Prospective Phase III Study
Figure 2 shows:
- Effect on fasting plasma glucose (FPG) reached after about 1 week
- Effect on Hb A1c reached after about 2 months
- Effect on weight loss reached after about 3 months
- For FPG, Hb A1c and weight loss, dapagliflozin 10 mg was more effective than dapagliflozin 5 mg.
Over 24 weeks, the % of adverse events was lower in dapagliflozin vs placebo, while the % of serious AEs occurred in 1.5% (placebo), 3.9% (dapagliflozin 5 mg), and 3.0% of patients (dapagliflozin 10 mg). However, there were more genital infections and UTIs in dapagliflozin 10 mg compared to dapagliflozin 5 mg. So dapagliflozin 10 mg is overall more effective with fewer adverse events and serious adverse events than dapagliflozin 5 mg except for genital and urinary tract infections.
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Neo
#357
With the actual paper + a connect to another tread from today
SGLT inhibitors for improving Healthspan and lifespan
Sodium-glucose cotransporter inhibitor/inhibition (SGLTi), initially approved as a glucose-lowering therapy for type 2 diabetes, is associated with decreased risks for many of the most common conditions of aging, including heart failure, chronic kidney disease, all-cause hospitalization, atrial fibrillation, cancer, gout, emphysema, neurodegenerative disease/dementia, emphysema, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, atherosclerotic disease, and infections. Studies also show that SGLTi improves overall life expectancy and reduces risks of cardiovascular death and cancer death. These wide-ranging health benefits are largely unexplained by the SGLTiās modest improvements in standard risk factors. SGLTi produces upregulation of nutrient deprivation signaling and downregulation of nutrient surplus signaling. This in turn promotes autophagy, which helps to optimize cellular integrity and prevent apoptotic cell death. SGLTi decreases oxidative stress and endoplasmic reticulum stress, restores of mitochondrial health, stimulates mitochondrial biogenesis, and diminishes proinflammatory and profibrotic pathways. These actions help to revitalize senescent cells, tissues, and organs. In summary, SGLTi appears to slow aging, prevent disease, and improve life expectancy, and its mechanisms of action lend strong biological plausibility to this hypothesis. Further randomized trials are warranted to test whether SGLTi, a safe and well-tolerated, once-daily pill, might improve healthspan and lifespan.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033062023001068
Together with below seems to make it even more attractive to consider
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Neo
#359
Thx. Iām worried that GLP-1 might be pro health in some (obese or diabetes), but not pro longevity (at least in lean, great glucose control).
SGLT inhibitors looking better and better as data comes out.
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Is there any new data out that shows that SGLT2 inhibitors extend the lifespan of females? I feel like I may have missed something.
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