Two new papers on SGLTi:

Differing Efficacy of Dapagliflozin Versus Empagliflozin on the Risk of Incident Atrial Fibrillation in Patients With Type 2 Diabetes: A Real‐World Observation Using a Nationwide, Population‐Based Cohort: “This real‐world, population‐based study demonstrates that patients with type 2 diabetes using dapagliflozin may have a lower risk of developing nonvalvular atrial fibrillation than those using empagliflozin.”

SGLT2 Inhibitors Squeak Out a Win in Patients Post-MI: it’s a news article commenting on the recent paper is previously shared that showed the benefits of starting dapagliflozin after a stroke. It’s interesting that it’s now in the medical news and my friends who work in resuscitation rooms in French hospitals told me last week that they were discussing a lot using dapagliflozin after the publication of this paper. It’s not yet recommended by the national guidelines for that in France but I assume they’ll start using it anyway.

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I use remogliflozin, not because of its transient nature, but because it’s ‘dirt cheap’ from IndiaMart and other places (money was tight at the time). Now thinking of looking at other SGLT2 inhibitors.

I’m going to do a head to head with canagliflozin (when I can get some) empagliflozin and remofloglozin and look at 24 hour urinary glucose output.

btw I take remofloglozin before each meal

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Adssx, have you come across any papers suggesting loss of lean muscle mass is a concern w/SGLT2 inhibition (over and above what normally happens with weight loss, of course)?

Haven’t read the paper yet, but both the title and the abstract and clinical trial name are about MI / heart attach / heart. Did the study pick up things in stroke too even if not designed for that?

This may not be the mechanism where most of the longevity - and even not TD2 diseases minimization benefits are coming from though. So if other than minimizing glucose aspects you may want to do broader bloodwork and testing.

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Chris, @J0hn and others thinking about the differences I looked a bit further into that and the more I look at it the more it does seem like one might want to SGLT1 also is not the same as SGLT2*.

On the fact that SGLT1 is not the same as SGLT2* - not only that are they very different mechanistically, but also outcome wise have differences:

Thus far, the results from SCORED and SOLOIST (trials studying the SGLT1/2 inhibitor sotagliflozin) suggest that an increase in SGLT1 inhibition when added to SGLT2 inhibition may contribute to reductions in MI and stroke in patients with T2DM. This benefit is beyond what SGLT2is alone can accomplish

There are, however, major differences in the relative inhibition of SGLT1 and SGLT2 among the SGLTis.

Sodium glucose cotransporter-2 is a high capacity, low-affinity glucose transporter expressed in the proximal renal tubule where it is responsible for ∼97% of urinary glucose absorption and 4–5% of urinary sodium absorption in normal individuals, and its inhibition results in an increase in glucose and sodium excretion. Sodium glucose cotransporter-2 inhibition has been shown to be effective in preventing as well as treating HF, both HFrEF and HFpEF, in high CV risk patients with as well as in those without T2DM, and also in patients with HF but without T2DM.1 They may exert their beneficial effects through multiple mechanisms in the kidneys and myocardium and via altered metabolism. At the kidney level, SGLT2 inhibitors cause osmotic diuresis and natriuresis without renin–angiotensin system and sympathetic nervous system activation and with restored tubuloglomerular feedback, glomerular afferent arteriole constriction, decreased intraglomerular perfusion pressure, and increased erythropoietin secretion. Causing glycosuria, they lead to mild ketogenesis which increases myocardial efficiency. In addition, they inhibit sodium-hydrogen exchange, activate sirtuins, and induce autophagy in the cardiomyocytes All these mechanisms are potentially favourable for slowing the progression of chronic kidney disease (CKD) and HF. However, it is unclear which of them has a leading role. It remains true that SGLT2is are relatively well tolerated and have the potential to have a major impact on CV and renal outcomes in patients with HF +/− T2DM and +/− CKD.
Sodium glucose cotransporter-2 inhibition has, however, some limitations. For example, SGLT2is have not been associated with a reduction in non-fatal and fatal stroke in patients with T2DM despite a significant, although moderate reduction of about 3 mmHg in systolic blood pressure which, on the basis of prior epidemiologic observations and randomized trials in patients with hypertension, should have resulted in a reduction in stroke.4 A recent meta-analysis has shown a reduction in systolic blood pressure with SGLT2is in patients with diabetes by a weighted mean difference and 95% confidence intervals (CIs) of −2.89 (−3.37 to −2.40) mmHg.5 However, this was not associated with a change in the rate of stroke [relative risk (RR), 0.98, 95% CI, 86–1.11; P = 0.72] with a modest 10% reduction in the rate of myocardial infarction (RR, 0.90, 95% CI, 82–0.99; P = 0.03) in other meta-analyses.4,6,7 The reduction in MI associated with SGLT2i may be secondary to a reduction in preload and myocardial oxygen demands, which, in a patient with ischaemic heart disease, could reduce the risk of ischaemia and MI. Thus, both the lack of reduction in the rate of stroke and the modest reduction in MI may suggest lack of a primary anti-atherosclerotic or anti-thrombotic effect of SGLT2is.

Sodium glucose cotransporter-1 is a low capacity, high-affinity glucose transporter expressed in the late renal proximal tubule, where it is responsible for absorbing around 3% of urinary glucose in normal individuals. It is also expressed in the capillaries of the heart, brain, and skeletal muscle and, mainly, in the brush border of the small intestine where its inhibition results in increased delivery of glucose to the distal intestines with a decrease in intestinal pH and, as a result, alteration in the intestinal microbiome with an increase in short chain fatty acids and an increase in the secretion of the incretin glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1) and a decrease in glucose-dependent insulinotropic polypeptide (GIP).8 The potential mechanisms by which SGLT1i reduce stroke and MI have been previously reviewed and include the finding that an increase in GLP-1 results in a decrease in platelet activation and an increase in atherosclerotic plaque stability.8,9 In preclinical models, SGLT1 has also been found in several other organs. However, despite these differences, controversy regarding the specificity of the antibodies used to detect SGLT1, the lack of a clear understanding of the function of SGLT1 in these tissues, and the likelihood that SGLT1 expression can increase in various tissues depending upon comorbidities such as HF and T2DM, suggest the need for further investigation of SGLT1i and SGLT1/2i.

The SGLT1/2i sotagliflozin increases urinary glucose persistently and urinary sodium excretion transiently and affects several other mechanisms similar to the SGLT2is in patients with normal renal function as well as in those with moderate renal dysfunction. However, since SGLT1 is also expressed in the intestines, its inhibition can delay glucose absorption even in patients with severe kidney disease. While a reduction in serum glucose does not appear to be critical in the prevention or treatment of HF in T2DM, it is likely of importance in the long-term prevention of the microvascular effects of T2DM such as retinopathy and neuropathy. The effects of SGLT1 inhibition on the microbiome in patients with T2DM and HF are incompletely investigated, but could also be of importance since alteration of the microbiome is associated with hypertension and the risk of stroke.9–11 Importantly, SGLT1 has been shown to be upregulated in patients with diabetic cardiomyopathy12 and is associated with an increase in NADPH oxidase 2 and, as a consequence, an increase in reactive oxygen species in models of myocardial ischaemia, whereas SGLT1 knock down attenuates ischaemic/reperfusion injury.13 Mendelian randomization studies examining missense variants associated with a decrease in SGLT1 function have been associated with a decrease in the incidence of HF.14 This may be related in part to the effect of SGLT1i on the release of GLP1 and GIP, both of which have an effect on appetite and weight loss, and could be of importance for the prevention of HF in view of the finding that individuals with T2DM and abdominal obesity have an increased risk of developing HF compared with those with T2DM without abdominal obesity and those with abdominal obesity but without T2DM.14

Does anyone have a sense for how big the GLP-1 effect is from SGLT1i? I’d not want to have a constant increase in insulin…. Like one can get from taking ozempic, etc

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Sorry it’s not something I pay attention to in papers.

Aaaaah sorry :sweat_smile: I thought stroke was a synonym for heart attack in English… Learnt something today… :grimacing:

On SGLT1: I checked all the ongoing trials of sotagliflozin and none of them have an active comparator with another SGLT2 inhibitor unfortunately… :frowning:

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I talked to a functional medicine specialist a while ago, she is professor of functional nutrition, and not very pro SGLT2i, but her concern was not muscle loss directly, but especially in physically active people using SGLT2i can lead to malnutrition and need to be much more careful about their nutrition to get optimal energy to recuperate properly…

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Would she say the same thing about CR?

I agree with here on both, but still think they both a pro-longevity.

@Davin8r do see my point about that SGLT1i does seem to “positively” impact the GLP-1 and GIP pathways… (but I think to a smaller extent than the obesity drugs).

Unfortunately I live in the UK on a limited budget, and I’ve already done my blood work for the start of this year

Levine test score of
Chronological Age: 62
Phenotypic Age: 42.47
Phenotypic Age vs. Chronological: -19.53

I know it’s not ideal but I wanted to see how the three SGLT2 inhibitors (canagliflozin [when I get some], empagliflozin and Remofloglozin) measure up against each other. The one with the largest 24hr urinary glucose output wins. I’ve also got a spare CGM which I’ll run at the same time.

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I think it’s important to know why it decreases death.
For SGLT1 variants, they have a massive decrease in obesity and diabetes, at -60% for obesity and 40% for diabetes for every 20 mg/dl decrease in glucose absorption over 2 hrs.

That doesn’t help me since I think it’s unlikely I will become obese, “The Whale”, and hopefully not diabetic which I will track. If it impairs glucose absorption in the intestines, thus reducing caloric intake, it is not surprising to me. Obesity and diabetes risk go together as well. And reduction in that makes totally sense it will decrease death.

Did the ITP mice have decrease in weight?

Cool. Then you may want also look at your glucose peaks and the variance metric the CGM gives you. There are a lot of reasons why avoiding large peaks might be at least as important for longevity as keeping a low average level.

I totally agree with you that the “why” is important.

But I thought that BOTH SGLT2 and 1 decrease obesity and diabetes… so the question is if the delta (where we so far have decreased death from SGLT1 but not 2) is doing something positive?

I also think @adssx has showed that there is a lot in the studies that suggests that many of the health benefits are separate from T2D (and obesity) effects?

We know that positive remodeling of gut microbiome, minimizing glucose spikes, etc might be good for longevity also in the leanest too

But - yeah, a lot of questions where we only partially can infer.

Perhaps someone could look at the MR study and see if the death down also holds if one controls for weight/BMI or something T2D.

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This I think is an argument that I might work in lean individuals - that it helps act as a calorie restriction “mimetic”. I think a few of the papers on SGLTi (including SGLT2i) and longevity make that argument in a strong way.

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You’d have to control for reduction in obesity and diabetes if you want to tease out effect on mortality outside it for SGLT1i. My guess is there is a much smaller effect then.

It’s not a mimetic since it reduces calorie absorption. Hence you are basically on CR.

Yes.

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This paper may be interesting for you to read in this context

Caloric restriction promotes longevity in multiple animal models. Compounds modulating nutrient-sensing pathways have been suggested to reproduce part of the beneficial effect of caloric restriction on aging. However, none of the commonly studied caloric restriction mimetics actually produce a decrease in calories. Sodium-glucose cotransporter 2 inhibitors (SGLT2-i) are a class of drugs which lower glucose by promoting its elimination through urine, thus inducing a net loss of calories. This effect promotes a metabolic shift at the systemic level, fostering ketones and fatty acids utilization as glucose-alternative substrates, and is accompanied by a modulation of major nutrient-sensing pathways held to drive aging, e.g., mTOR and the inflammasome, overall resembling major features of caloric restriction.

And on things outside of just diabesity:

In addition, preliminary experimental data suggest that SGLT-2i might also have intrinsic activities independent of their systemic effects, such as the inhibition of cellular senescence. Consistently, evidence from both preclinical and clinical studies have also suggested a marked ability of SGLT-2i to ameliorate low-grade inflammation in humans, a relevant driver of aging commonly referred to as inflammaging.

Considering also the amount of data from clinical trials, observational studies, and meta-analyses suggesting a tangible effect on age-related outcomes, such as cardiovascular diseases, heart failure, kidney disease, and all-cause mortality also in patients without diabetes, here we propose a framework where at least part of the benefit provided by SGLT-2i is mediated by their ability to blunt the drivers of aging. To support this postulate, we synthesize available data relative to the effect of this class on: 1- animal models of healthspan and lifespan; 2- selected molecular pillars of aging in preclinical models; 3- biomarkers of aging and especially inflammaging in humans; and 4- COVID-19-related outcomes. The burden of evidence might prompt the design of studies testing the potential employment of this class as anti-aging drugs.

IJMS | Free Full-Text | Repurposing SGLT-2 Inhibitors to Target Aging: Available Evidence and Molecular Mechanisms

Yes - I said exactly that? See my exact language

“Perhaps someone could look at the MR study and see if the death down also holds if one controls for weight/BMI or something T2D”

Above

I’m talking specifically about SGLT1i and not SGLT2i.

Yes, we agree.

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That seems like semantics - if anyone if it actually helps get us into that state without it being as painful then it might be even more positive than if a successful mimetic

See also the paper above that I think goes in the direction of choosing mimetic language here, but I don’t remember perfectly as it was about a year ago I read the paper

Ok. I think the choices we have today are basically

  • SGLT2i
    Or
  • SGLT1&2i

Don’t think there are drugs available only do SGLT1i

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