#1566

GP Pharma International on indiamart. Its the first company on the list at the top. I’m not responding to any previous conversations, Im replying to the original post.

There are a lot of comments to sort through, is anyone aware of which of the listed pharmacies is the most reliable? I would like to try ordering again, but after receiving bunk product I’m certainly hesitant. Who has blood test results, or previously been on rapamycin through a reliable pharmacy and can tell they are receiving Rapamycin from the side effects their experiencing.

#1567

What is the brand name of the “fake rapamycin” you received? Kind of a basic information you are omitting there. It’s impossible to know what you are talking about, with such basic info missing.

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#1568

I didn’t think it would be confusing, as it’s the only Rapamyacin product they offer: Sirolimus.

However, I’m not seeking to discuss their rapamycin brand.

The intention of my post is to say a listed pharmacy is not reliable for its product, and ask for a better known reliable pharmacy.

#1569

No. Sirolimus is just the pharma name of rapamycin. They all say “sirolimus”. Again: what is the BRAND name of the sirolimus/rapamycin you received? Who makes it or distributes it? What is the name of the company? Basic information.

#1570

I’m not sure why you need to be so rude. They didn’t offer me dozens of brand options. Nor did they say “we have many different brand options and some of them don’t work at all”. GP pharma international Isn’t listed as reliable, except for these brands of course.

I’m asking for a reliable pharmacy that will send me a real quality product - and communicating the product I received is not rapamyacin - or the product is so deteriorated that even taking 12 mg will not give me the side effects I normally get from even 2 mg.

I understand that you would like additional information for your benefit, instead of just saying “here’s a pharmacy that works really well for everyone and you should watch out for these brands or focus on these brands. Oh btw what was the brand on your package? Just tell me everything thats written there, thanks”.

Of which I would have responded with the information SiroBoon.

You need not be so inherently rude and condescending. You certainly have not answered the question I’ve been asking, of which having the brand information about my product has no bearing on.

#1571

I’m not being rude, apologies if it came across as such, it was not my intention.

The reason I asked for the brand name, is because a vendor sending fake meds is a serious accusation, and in fairness to the vendor and as a service to the community, you need to provide basic information to back up your charge.

Now that you provided the name: Siroboon, the situation is crystal clear. And so is the reason for my question regarding the brand.

The vendor is not at fault here. YOU selected this brand “Siroboon”, the vendor just sent you the product that you selected.

It is exactly as I suspected. If you do a search of this site, you will quickly discover that Siroboon is the one brand of sirolimus/rapamycin you should never order. In multiple tests it has been shown to either not contain rapamycin, not in the right amount, or the form of it is not bioavailable. People have tested this and alerted the community to the problem with this brand.

You are indeed correct - what you received does not work. And the problem is the brand that you yourself have selected. Warnings against this brand are all over this site.

I have not gone to the GP Pharma International site, but are you sure that Siroboon is the only brand of rapamycin they offer? Sounds odd. In any case, the vendor cannot vet every medication on the market. They sell what’s on offer. They’re just a middleman. If they send you a fake product that’s a serious matter, but if it’s a product on the market that you freely selected, then they just sent you what you ordered.

You are right to ask for recommendations for reliable vendors - we all do so, myself included, and we provide feedback for the benefit of the community. However we also exchange feedback on brands, and Siroboon is widely warned against by multiple people here (myself included).

I am sorry you had this experience, and apologize if I came across as rude rather than careful and thorough (I try to be the latter!).

However it is essential to provide key information so that you may receive the proper feedback. In this case: Siroboon is the key piece of information without which nothing can be determined - it is a brand to be avoided.

There are several good vendors here. I can personally attest to the reliability of Jagdish (his contact info is in many posts in this thread). Ask for Rapacan by Eris, that is a brand most of us here order, and one I have tested with blood tests repeatedly with very good results.

Also, while going by symptoms is a good method, if you want to be absolutely sure you are getting a certain level of rapamycin, it’s best to get a blood test for sirolimus. Best of luck!

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#1572

No. You are entirely wrong here. The brand name information about your product has ALL the bearing on recommendations. All of the vendors from whom you order Siroboon will send you Siroboon which is the problematic brand.

That is why I asked for this basic information: the brand. Not for my own benefit as you surmise, but in order to be able to assist you. Just providing you the names of reliable vendors will not fix your problem if you order the wrong brand. Which is why I didn’t simply recommend a vendor, that would not have the result you need. For all I know, GP Pharma International is a reliable vendor. The problem is the brand you picked. Which is why I asked about the brand rather than responded immediately with a vendor name as that would be completely useless - the problem here is not the reliability of the vendor and the solution is not giving you the name of a reliable vendor. The problem in this case is the brand, and therefore the solution is the correct brand, which I asked for, and the recommendation I gave.

Again, I’m trying to help and I am thorough. I derive no personal benefit from recommending a brand or vendor. I am spending time assisting you with key information at no cost to you and no benefit to me, and I’m disappointed to be accused of looking for some kind of personal benefit.

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#1573

Ok, now I understand. You were very short and abrupt in your response, I have made it clear that I am new and was giving you the information I had.

Regardless of the miscommunication, thank you. I appreciate your time and effort, I was not given multiple brand options during my inquiry with GP. There are so many comments under this post, its really difficult to go through all the information. It would be really nice if the information you shared with me was in the original post

I am surprised that a reliable pharmacy would offer a medication that is known to be unviable, and still put it forward as an option when contacted. I asked for 2mg options and that was what they shared with me. There was no, “but these are the other options I’d recommend above SiroBoon.”

With that behavior in mind I will not order from them in the future.

#1574

People will be. This is a forum.

#1575

Damn. Maulik is good too. Great prices and is responsive.

#1576

Sorry, I didn’t mean to be short, I was asking for what I thought would be most helpful. Usually my problem is being too wordy in my posts, so I’m trying to curb that. Maybe I failed in the opposite direction.

The difficulty is with higher content pills above the standard 1 mg. It’s possible to get higher, but it’s more unusual and harder to obtain. There are basically two good brands readily available from India, Rapacan by Eris (formerly Biocon), and Siromus by Zydus. Siroboon can come in various sizes, so if you ask for a certain size, the vendor will simply perform a search, see that Siroboon has it and order that. That’s as far as their process goes. They do no vetting of brands, they’re just a middleman.

That’s what’s likely happened with your vendor. Is it reasonable to expect them to be on top of the reputation and effectiveness of every brand out there? That’s tough with thousands and thousands of meds. These vendors are usually small businesses who don’t have the resources to vet meds. They work off of simple internet searches and databases of suppliers, and that’s pretty much it. I’m not defending your vendor - I have zero experience with them, I’m just providing some context.

With these small vendors, reliability comes down to other factors than how good/bad are the original meds (most of the time they’re not equipped to judge that). How responsive are they? How long does it take for them to answer questions. How accurate are they in the information. How easy is it to pay them. How fast do they ship. Do they ship the right meds in the right quantity and with good expiration dates. Do they document the shipping with photos and tracking number. Will they replace lost shipments. And very key: will they send the brand you requested. I had to drop a vendor (Forveda) because he became offended when I requested a different brand. Customer service is key. Jagdish has passed all these tests (in my experience with multiple shipments) with flying colors. He’s not the very cheapest, but I pay gladly for good service. His biggest limitation in my experience is that he doesn’t carry some medications or can’t export some brands.

Keep reading these threads, there’s a ton of good info here. It’s long and can get confusing… because as I said before, these Indian vendors are frequently great, until they are not, and it’s time to switch. I’ve had to do this more than once (dropped Forveda and dropped Safe Overseas). Stay safe, and keep asking questions, it’s the only way we can all benefit in this community.

All the best, and happy biohacking!

#1577

It’s fine.

I’ve just gotten done speaking with Shivansh. I gave them a little test and asked them which brands they carried. They said they tell everyone about siroboon and recommend Eris. They did this without any prompting from me. I feel much more comfortable with this behavior. GP did not warn me. Did not make any other recommendations. Didn’t talk about reliability or quality issues. The other medications I asked after with Shiv all had specific brand recommendation and quality reports from their clientele. Obviously, I haven’t received products from them yet, but I already feel inclined to recommend them over GP.

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#1578

If you would have taken the time to read the thread, you would have found many reliable vendors with many positive reviews from forum members.

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#1579

I’m not sure how your response is in anyway helpful.This thread has almost 1500 posts and it and takes an estimated 3 1/2 hours to read.

A lot of you responding with additional rudeness and condescension, are core members here, who spend a lot of time on this website. Who have accounts. But there are thousands of people who visit this site and are not seeking to be part of the core community or take 3 1/2 hours to read 1500 replies in this thread, for information we didn’t even know we needed.

For those people it would be helpful to have this information about brands at the top. If you tell me a pharmacy is reliable, I’m going to believe that their products are reliable. It takes two seconds to say these are reliable pharmacies if you get a reliable brand from them. Not every brand is reliable. Asking me to comb over 1500 replies for Information I didn’t even know I needed to look into is delusional.

That we are even continuing this conversation under this thread, so more people will have to read through this bullshit to find the information they need, that they might not even know they need, sucks. I’m grateful that this website exists, but it is NOT easy to navigate - and I found this website 5 years ago.

#1580

Apparently your basic search skills are limited.

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#1581

Speaking personally I was not impressed when you yourself were rude to @CronosTempi who had put some effort into resolving your issue. You have a very aggressive approach and I suggest that you temper your aggression if you wish people who are not under any duty to help you spend their time trying to assist you. You will simply find that people don’t bother to try to help if you continue in this vein.

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#1582

To save new members and browsers a little time. I asked ChatGPT 5 (paid). Perplexity (free)

Of course, this is not to say that there are not other reliable and worthy suppliers; this is just a response to this query. And again, some of it is just opinion.

I wasn’t overly impressed with the response. Perhaps I could have worded the query a little differently? But from my personal experience, I agree with the results.

"This thread is about reliable online suppliers of rapamycin. Please, make a list of suppliers, both pharmacies and individuals mentioned in this thread, that are:

  • Most mentioned
  • Most reliable
  • Received the most positive reviews.
  • Most unreliable
  • Received the most negative reviews."

Reply:

I am just posting the summary.

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#1583

In addition, I’d just like to add that I don’t think your expectations of a pharmaceutical vendor in India is a reasonable one to have. You can choose to work with anyone you wish, but to call them out publicly because they didn’t hold your hand through a purchase is not fair.

Amazon and CVS and Nordstroms are all great vendors, but I don’t have to additionally announce that they are only great when you buy a product that is high quality. They ALL sell products that don’t live up to their claims.

They are just offering things that people might want to buy. They don’t say, hey, are you sure you want to buy that mascara that says it won’t smear because we know they are lying and it will be all over your face by noon.

You can certainly choose a store or vendor that is more helpful but I would not come here and call out nordstroms for being unreliable because my mascara sucks.

It’s not the job of this website to have things sorted for you to make it easier, but I understand the desire and in a perfect world that would be really great. Suggestions in the spirit of helpful are always welcomed. There are no ads and nothing is being sold, so just the fact that this exists is a gift.

In the future, just pop on and ask the question if you can’t find it easily and most people here are very helpful and will happily give of their time to chime in and help you.

And please note, @CronosTempi is one of the most generous people on here with his time and he has personally helped me countless times.

I think this is all about managing expectations.

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#1584

Good point - its easy enough to add that text and a link to this thread: Generally Good Indian Pharma Companies

Done.

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#1585

I always run my responses through the big 3 LLMs (ChattGPT, Grok, Gemini) and usually one of them will give me what I want, lol.

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