Have a PRP question. Were you Taking rapamycin during any of those PRP injections? I’ve paused rapa having been told to stay away from anti inflammatory supplements. Should I, do you think? Can’t really find any direct info online.

I paused 2 weeks before the injections and 2 weeks after. I had pain 2weeks after and the Rapa put the fire out. I don’t know what that does to PRP either. It didn’t work very well here, but after 2 months it took a turn and started working. I dose Rapa every 2 weeks, so maybe it does a little work every session?

What really put out the fire for me was fasting with the Rapa. The pain was gone after that. I dose rapa in the morning, so that’s 12, then I fast all day and eat the next morning. So 36 hour fast with the rapa dose. That might work without the PRP.

Oh, also I bought a chinese made ultrasound gun ($125). This thing puts the fire out too. Ultrasound is senomorphic, so turns off the SASP. I’m now wondering if I fast with the Rapa and use the ultrasound gun if I could have skipped the PRP.

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Did you ever try the ozone treatments?

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Ummm… nope.
But like the air in an electrical storm.

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Wow I knew about grapefruit but I was unaware sardines were an issue with Rapamycin dose. I eat a lot of sardines, I guess I’ll have to research this!

Never mind, I see you addressed in in your post about improving bioavailability of rapamycin:

What are key options to consider for how I take rapamycin?

  • With Fatty Meal
  • With Grapefruit Juice
  • With the anti-fungal drug called “ketoconazole”

The important points to note here are:

  1. If you take your rapamycin with a fatty meal (I take it with a can of sardines for example) you typically increase the bioavailability by about 35%. This saves you money because if you want to be taking an equivalent of 4mg of rapamycin, you only need to take 3 x 1mg tablets with a fatty meal to get the same effect as you would taking 4 tablets of 1mg.

I guess it’s not specific to sardines- whew!

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In regards to C60, I wonder what happens if you take C60 and also rapamycin? C60 is a very interesting. I heard a Ben Greenfield podcast with IAN MITCHELL, they share some good info.

The more optimal of your health is to measure your bio markers often and take all the necessary measures that fit your issues.

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A little weekend blog:

So, being the irrational experimenter that I am, I am willing to try the more problematic supplements/drugs in search of things that increase healthspan, lifespan, or perhaps just make you feel better.

Current menu:
Kratom
BPC-157 peptide
Epitalon

Kratom:
Of course, I have been reading for a decade the raves of self-medicators have made on Reddit and other forums. After researching, I found that is considered relatively safe, even in high doses. It is in the gray area of not being approved and not yet illegal. It is readily available from a few reputable botanical suppliers.
“Active Compounds
Kratom contains over 40 structurally related alkaloids ([1])
Key alkaloids include mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine
Mechanism of Action
Partial agonists of the human μ-opioid receptor ([1])
Demonstrate functional selectivity for G-protein signaling without β-arrestin recruitment ([1])
Exert α-2 receptor agonistic, anti-inflammatory, and mild stimulant effects ([2])”

Benefits often mentioned in user forums; "feels like a Percocet, moderate dose of codeine,
Depending on the dosage and vein/type can be anything from highly stimulating to sedating.
“Makes you full of energy, easy to talk to people, a bit of a buzz reminiscent of nic or alcohol”

Dosage is supposedly key to the effects, basically low-dosage stimulation and high-dosage sedating.
“Kratom use may not be detected in standard drug screens”

My take: I ordered three different varieties of Kratom from two different suppliers.
The Kratom powder all looked the same, a kind of dark khaki green. The powder is kind of messy and tends to cling to things. Maybe, because it isn’t really dry. It doesn’t lend itself that well to capsule-filling machines, but that is what I did. I filled a number of 000 capsules to approximately one gram each.

The dosages most often mentioned is 1-6 grams for mental alertness stimulating effects and 6-15 grams for analgesic meditating effects.

My experience: from 1-6 grams, I felt nada, at about 8 grams, I experienced a slight euphoria.
At 10-12 grams, I felt some of the effects most commonly described. Yes, the effect was much like taking a Percocet, a little euphoria and numbness. It is also has some of the same feeling and effects you get from taking phenibut. It does seem to make one a little more talkative and social.

So, I can see that it might help wean someone off of opioids. One of the best things is that the effects last for several hours with a slow tapering off. No adverse effects were felt. i.e., no hangover, letdown, etc. In that respect, it seems to be a very clean drug.

From the literature I looked at, there seem to be few adverse effects unless taken at high doses for a long period of time. When taken at high doses, you should monitor your liver.
That being said, there are some reports of severe adverse side effects. But considering the tens of thousands who consume this daily, the actual percentage seems quite small.
I think the bogeyman warnings about addiction, side effects, etc, surrounding Kratom are overblown, much the same as with cannabis and its derivatives.
Kratom might offer some pain relief as an alternative to opioids. but for most people like me, I see it more as a recreational drug. I will be using it as an alternative to phenibut, which for some reason, is now quite difficult to obtain.
Kratom would be the ideal thing to take before attending a Grateful Dead or David Gilmore concert. Again, I was pleasantly surprised at how long the effects at a high dose last, much longer than a beer buzz or cannabis edibles.
The main downside is the inconvenient high dosages required for the desired effect.
Twelve grams will absolutely limit it to occasional use for me, and at twelve grams per dose, it is also a little pricey. I will keep some on hand to use if I get the chance to go to a David Gilmore concert.

BPC-157 peptide:

"Potential Therapeutic Applications
Musculoskeletal Injuries
Tendon healing
Ligament repair
Skeletal muscle recovery
BPC-157 has shown consistently positive effects in animal models for various traumatic and systemic soft tissue injuries ([1]).

Gastrointestinal Disorders
Inflammatory bowel disease
Ulcerative colitis
Fistula healing
Short bowel syndrome
Clinical trials have shown promise for IBD treatment with no reported toxicity ([3]).

Cardiovascular System
Myocardial infarction
Heart failure
Pulmonary hypertension
Arrhythmias
Thrombosis prevention
BPC-157 has demonstrated cardioprotective effects and the ability to counteract various heart disturbances in animal studies ([2]).

Wound Healing
Skin wounds
Burns
Diabetic ulcers
BPC-157 has shown efficacy in promoting healing of various types of wounds, including deep burns and diabetic ulcers ([4])."

My main reason for trying BPC-157 is because as I have grown older my gut has become increasingly more sensitive to my food and supplement choices. I would say I have borderline IBD. This manifests when I eat too much fat or take too high of a dose of rapamcyin resulting in diarrhea. My gut often feels a little gassy or bloated. “The antiulcer peptide, stable gastric pentadecapeptide BPC 157 (previously employed in ulcerative colitis and multiple sclerosis trials, no reported toxicity”

I am taking twice daily injections of BPC-157. I felt nothing for the first few days, but now it has calmed down my digestive tract and I feel normal. BPC-157 is relatively cheap and I plan on taking it indefinetly

Epitalon:
“Epitalon is a synthetic tetrapeptide (Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly) based on a natural peptide extracted from the pineal gland. It has shown promise in various studies for its potential geroprotective and neuroprotective properties.”

"Potential Clinical Applications:
Neuroprotection
Intranasal administration of Epitalon activates neuron activity in the rat neocortex ([4])
It may have beneficial effects on the eye retina, particularly in cases of retinitis pigmentosa ([5])
Reproductive Health
Epitalon protects against post-ovulatory aging-related damage in mouse oocytes ([2])
It may help correct impairments in reproductive cycles in rats ([6])
Cancer Prevention
Epitalon has shown anticarcinogenic effects in various experimental models ([7])
It inhibits the development of leukemia in mice ([8])
Lifespan Extension
Studies in mice, rats, and fruit flies have demonstrated increased lifespan with Epitalon administration ([8], [9])
It may slow down age-related changes in estrous function and decrease chromosome aberrations in bone marrow cells ([8])

My main reason for taking Epitalon:
“Epitalon is a synthetic peptide that has gained attention for its potential effects on telomere length and biological aging.”

Of course one wouldn’t expect to experience any particular subjective benefits from taking Epitalon and I didn’t for the first week.

Then I experienced an unexpected benefit. I am experiencing the best sleep that I have experienced since childhood, a good clean restful sleep with no wakeup grogginess.
I suppose this must be the effect that Epitalon has on melatonin production.

“Epitalon has been demonstrated to increase melatonin production in the pineal gland ([1]). This effect is particularly significant as melatonin plays a crucial role in regulating circadian rhythms and various physiological functions”

What is strange is that I have been taking high-dose melatonin, one gram or more nightly, and have been sleeping well, but the Epitalon is icing on the cake.

I plan on taking Epitalon indefinitely. I inject it right before bedtime.

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What’s your Epitalon dose and isn’t it suppose to be cycled?

I have used the following injectable peptides: BPC157 (5 or 6 times), Epitalon (3 times), Thymusin Alpha 1, and Thymulin. I didn’t notice anything subjectively from them, but they might have done something.

I also took GDF11 from Bucky Labs, another injectable peptide. In hindsight, I can’t believe I was willing to go through the trouble of mixing that vial to get the right dose. Very little room for error there. I can’t say I noticed anything from it subjectively either. I’d consider trying it again at some point, but only if the dosing is more professionally measured.

I took GW50156 orally to improve my lipid panel when I fell for the BS about statins being bad. It definitely raised my HDL but it doesn’t seem like that even matters. People also take it for endurance, which it might have helped for.

I have taken C60 as well about 4-5 years ago suspended in EVOO. Didn’t notice anything subjectively from that. It got some hype back then.

I take Nandrolone (Deca) 100mg per week and it has dramatically reduced joint pain so I can train in the gym much more comfortably. I would not recommend this unless you are on TRT though.

I’ve also taken, gasp… colloidal silver (didn’t notice anything but my face didn’t turn blue thankfully) after falling victim to a dumb facebook group before I was smart enough to read evidence based research.

I also have been following the TRIIM trial protocol without the Metformin (I use Acarbose instead) for a few years.

There might be others I can’t think of right now.

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Dosage: I am injecting 0.5mg of Eptitalon daily, and I plan on doing this indefinitely. At this low dose, I see no need to cycle. The main reason I plan on doing this is the very nice effect it is having on my sleep, as well as the neuroprotective and anti-cancer benefits.
Life extension through telomere lengthening, or at least slowing shortening, would be an added benefit.

I have read the Khavinson papers, at least as many as I could find, and I see no scientific basis for the cycling of low-dose Epithalon. Maybe this is just a best-practice protocol based on previous research on other peptides.

Epithalon is a synthetic version of a naturally occurring polypeptide called Epithalamine.

“the available evidence suggests that Epithalon may be more potent in certain aspects, particularly in regulating circadian rhythms, gene expression, and potentially in its geroprotective effect.”

"The geroprotector activity of Epitalon, a synthetic tetrapeptide Ala–Glu–Asp–Gly, was studied on the Drosophila melanogaster wild strain Canton-S. The substance was added to the culture medium only at the developmental stage (from egg to larva). Epitalon significantly increased the lifespan (LS) of imagoes by 11–16% when applied at unprecedented low concentrations — from 0.001×10–6 to 5×10–6 wt.% of culture medium for males and from 0.01×10–6 to 0.1×10–6 wt.% of culture medium for females. The increase in LS did not depend on the substance dose. Effective concentrations of epitalon were 16 000–80 000 000 times lower than those of melatonin. The possible mechanisms of the antioxidant and regulatory effects of epitalon are discussed.

"Epithalamine is a natural peptide complex extracted from the pineal gland of animals.
Generally, Epithalon is considered to be more potent than Epithalamine for a few reasons:

Purity and consistency: As a synthetic peptide, Epithalon can be produced with higher purity and consistency than naturally extracted Epithalamine.
Targeted action: Epithalon’s specific amino acid sequence allows for more targeted biological effects.
Bioavailability: The smaller size of Epithalon may allow for better absorption and distribution in the body.
Dose-response: Lower doses of Epithalon are typically needed to achieve similar effects as Epithalamine."

https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/s0047-6374(00)00217-7

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As I have said before, I think many of the drugs, supplements, peptides, etc., mentioned in the forum will have little or no subjective or measurable effects on young, healthy people.
Rebuilding the engine on a new car will not affect performance, but it may have a profound effect on an old car.

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I am taking Rybelsus (semaglutide) at a very low dose and also taking a small dose of Harmine. My blood glucose is in the pre-diabetic range and I have very low insulin. I take metformin 1000 mg /day. Dr. Andrew Stewart’s work has demonstrated that a combination of semaglutide and Harmine raised production of insulin in human islet cells that had been grafted into mice. There is other research showing that GLP agonists stimulate endogenous insulin. The “starter” dose of Rybelsus was pretty tough to endure, and I lost weight – which was not something I wanted or needed to do. So I have decided to “microdose” – take 3mg once a week (it has a half life of about a week) together with 100 mg Harmine for 3 days each week. This is all kind of experimental, making up my personalized protocol based on everything I have read and understanding my chemistry. My doctors don’t think I need to do anything beyond the metformin (which does not seem to be moving the needle).

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Yes - probably not something people want to consider given the following that just came out (of course, dose makes the poison):

Case report: Fatal long-term intoxication by 2,4-dinitrophenol (2,4-DNP) and anabolic steroids in a young bodybuilder with muscle dysmorphia

A case of chronic intoxication by 2,4-dinitrophenol (2,4-DNP) is reported in a 21-year-old bodybuilder, also known as an abuser of anabolic steroids, who died after ingesting 2 grams of 2,4-DNPthis substance after six months of repeated consumption, is reported. The bodybuilder presented the triad of symptoms – tachycardia, tachypnoea, profuse sweating – from 6 months before his death, and was hospitalised for multiple organ failure 4 months before his death. Medical staff attributed this serious episode to his consumption of 2,4-DNP.

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My “edgy” protocol is - once or twice a year I fast for 4-6 days. On about day 3-5 (when fully in ketosis and autophagy well underway), I get injected with Ozone. I believe there’s a whole host of potential benefits to this. The key benefit I am chasing is using this as a pre-emptive anti-cancer treatment.

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I’ve tried GDF-11 - was meticulous in creating the spreadsheet Steve Perry used and tracking data. Found that all his claims false
Did C60 per the protocol by Turnbuckle in Longecity forum but did not see changes in epigenetic age that was claimed
Took one course of epitalon and will do a second then test at the end of the year

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So, you did not see any of the purported benefits of GDF-11?

What does level did you try, and for how long?

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Thanks @Paul That’s just the info I wanted to cross GDF-11 off the list.

I got up to 300 pg started 5/2020 and then after 6 months dropped to 150 weekly and eventually 75 biweekly in 1/2021. About 2 weeks later had my first incidence of AFIB - not sure if it is related or not.
When I started I had already been on rapamycin/metformin for 6 months, was eating keto and got regular exercise hiking and mountain biking. My main goal of taking gdf-11 was to improve HRV which was in in the low teens - rMSSD avg of 15 - it actually got worse during the time I was taking gdf-11
Many of the interventions start with people in bad shape on bad diets so a question is - is this going to work for a healthy person? Most cases I guess not.
BTW one of Steves big “improvements” touted was reaction time. Although it didn’t change much during my trial, I resumed measuring it long afterwards and found that when I do the test daily it improves and weekly it gets worse - so his “improvement” may have just been practice

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