#40

I’m in India. Was able to buy Biocon Rapa that had MRP on the Rapacan strip of 2524rp for 340 rp per strip by shopping IndiaMart. Some of the suppliers won’t ship outside India but should be easy to get cheaper than 2524 in India

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#41

Can you share your source please. How did you get it - pick up from their facilities, or did they mail it to you?

#42

They mailed it to me in India. They don’t do international shipping. Medihub Pharma on Indiamart

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#43

Sounds like a good option for people who live in India or who are traveling through Delhi. Price is only 340 rupees per strip, translates to about $4.00 US dollars per strip of 10 tablets, or only $0.40 per 1mg tablet. Thats a great price.

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#44

I recently found a vendor on Indiamart that had great prices and quick service for Zydus rapa.
Arrived with no problems to the US.
Here is his email: amulchandani12@gmail.com
I paid ~ 1.20USD/tab for 250 1mg tabs.

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#45

Can you share his IndiaMart business name/profile also? Thank you.

#46

Here is the info:

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#48

I know this is from half a year back, but just saying, ya’ll should start looking into the sources that us bodybuilders use. It’s $135 for a gram of rapamycin direct from the labs that make it.

All raw powders, all direct from chineese labs, and the most popular venders 3rd party tested through janoshik. We use so much raw product and auxiliary to manage health markers that the supply chain is already very well established. Menus can easily have 200+ products, all independently tested.

The site to look up is Meso-RX, the specific vendor I’d reccomend from a dozen orders is QSC. But feel free to just look around there, I just saw 1.5k for something I know is 100ish dollars, it caused some sympathy pain.

cheers

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#49

I’ve ordered powders from China (with “official looking testing validation”) and when I’ve spent the $1,000 with a good lab to get them analyzed here in the USA they do not meet any of the requirements.

I would suggest to you that you cannot trust anything you get from China in the way of supplements or other compounds, and most of the vendors you can find on the web or Alibaba, etc. are all middlemen (who say they are the manufacturers… its really hard to find the actual manufacturers if you are not Chinese and do not live in China and can actually go to the factories and know what you are seeing and have a degree in analytical chemistry).

The problem is that the cost of HPLC or MassSpec testing on each batch in the USA with a good analytical chemistry lab is typically in the $600 to $1200 per test, and you have to test every batch you get because you can’t guarantee that the true source from the middleman you are buying from is the same between any order. If you don’t test, you really don’t know what the hell you’re getting.

I think you are taking a huge risk with your health just buying blindly from any company in China and not testing. Products from India are from FDA certified manufacturers (Zydus, Biocon, Dr. Reddy’s, etc.) so you know who the company is, and they have a reputation to maintain at some level. With China you do not.

The cost of the Indian sources is typically around $1/mg for rapamycin, which works out to around $40 per month for most people at the usual doses. Sure you can save a few dollars by going with a China-sourced powder, but really, is your health worth that little to you?

I’d rather buy from a FDA-approved source where I know what I’m getting, and the risk of contaminants is much lower.

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#50

Okie dokie :blush: I just figured I’d mention it.

QSC is 1000% a direct labratory, they’ve posted plenty of proof as to such. the India source i see posted just above yours has 22 reviews, QSC had to restart their discord 3 days ago and they already have 2k users on it.

It’s definitely legit, I’m not sure what chineese suplliers you’ve delt with in the past but to my eyes and ears IndiaMART is much more sketchy.

For example, I ask QSC how old their *Rapamycin powder is and they say 2 years. You ask a indiamart vendor and they’re likely telling you when they bought their gram(s) of rapo, which they probably purchased at a discount due to age.

I don’t need to go on, you clearly have been around the block a few times :blush: I just know these guys are legit :man_shrugging: they get quality-tested so often it’s honestly pretty impressive.

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#51

The key thing there is they “Say 2 years”. It doesn’t seem like you work in a field of buying large quantities of product from China and need to do real quality control. You never accept what a person tells you - you need to validate with expensive analytical chemistry tests or you really have no idea. People in China will say anything - there is no way that you can sue them if they give you false information, the China legal system is not like ours in the USA.

In the world of supplements , chemicals and medicines - where your health is at stake, I would suggest that you need to test to validate what anyone tells you.

Recent tests of NMN supplements sold on Amazon had a majority with none of the compound actually in the product… see here: Supplement Companies - The Good and The Bad (Reference) - #2 by John_Hemming

And, all the Indian pharmaceutical products have date stamps of manufacture, and expiry dates, and batch numbers, etc. So you know exactly how old it is (not that these pharmaceuticals actually “expire” - as you can see in this article: Drug Expiration Dates — Do They Mean Anything? - Harvard Health

The powders from China may be OK for topical applications on your skin. That might be an acceptable risk. But putting something into your body from China with no quality verification is an approach far more risky than I’d want to do.

See this example of a typical package from India pharma company Zydus (from a sample purchased a few years ago):

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#52

And a general note - people here are into longevity. Most body builders prioritize muscle size over health and longevity, and many of them die young. The last people you want to emulate if you want to live longer are bodybuilders.

36 Bodybuilders Passed Away in 2022 :exclamation:Another Devastating Year !!!

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#53

I think that is mostly true, but the part about them dying younger is perhaps not quite accurate depending on how you think about the data. One could argue that the video is generally correct but also very misleading.

First, we should distinguish between natural bodybuilders and untested bodybuilders (those who use AAS/PEDs). We’re obviously talking about the latter. Second, we shouldn’t draw conclusions by looking at highly publicized deaths, which are akin to anecdotal reports. Rather, we should do some statistical analysis on a representative population. The conclusions, however, are potentially different depending on your control population.

Stronger by Science did a podcast segment on just this at the end of 2021 for anyone interested. They are not advocates for steroid use, and I think they looked at it fairly.

They talked about two analyses and concluded that the one that was simply published as a blog post was better constructed because the other likely had a rather strong sampling bias. I’ll summarize some takeaways from the first one and will provide links to both.

The analysis that was judged more reliable showed that competitive male bodybuilders die at roughly the same rate (slightly lower, actually) than average American men. That’s not good, of course, because the average American is in horrible health. If you compare bodybuilders to other athletes, bodybuilders fare much worse… as do average American men.

Regardless, the data show that it’s not fair or accurate to say that bodybuilders are dying younger relative to the general population. Rather, a focus on well-publicized deaths has been misleading. You can build your physique, aided by steroids, and probably end up living as long or slightly longer and looking much better than the average couch potato… but, of course, that’s not saying much if longevity is the objective.

It is highly likely, borderline certain, that the drugs are essentially reversing any benefits that bodybuilders would be expected to accrue due to their exercise and lower rates of smoking and alcohol consumption. It’s also true that cardiac and kidney related deaths are responsible for a greater proportion of deaths.

Yet, we should be fair and acknowledge that they are not dropping dead at higher rates than the general age-matched population, as the video implies.

The better analysis:

This next one probably overselected for dead people because of how they did the record search. Listen to the podcast segment to hear why the blog post is probably more reliable.

MP47-17 RATES OF MORTALITY ARE HIGHER AMONG PROFESSIONAL MALE BODYBUILDERS

https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1016/j.juro.2016.02.336

#54

I may certainly be generalizing, but as a class of athletes what other group has 36 young and ostensibly healthy people (or whatever the real number is) die? Formula 1 driving seems absolutely rock-solid safe compared to these numbers.

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#55

Yes, we don’t disagree when comparing to athletes or even regular exercisers:

The rate of death due to heart problems is abnormally high for men under 65 and especially under 45. What I’m saying is that the popular impression is that bodybuilders die younger on an absolute basis vs. the general population, but that isn’t the case if you look at death rates by birth year.

They do horribly vs. athletes, but relative to the overall, sedentary population, they’re still doing slightly better or about the same in terms of lifespan. This clearly isn’t a good news story for steroid abuse - quite the opposite - but it may not be quite as sensationally disastrous as it appears on the surface. I say this as someone who is tapering off of TRT for longevity reasons, is expecting to lose muscle because of that, and who has never done illegal AAS.

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#56

Yeah, hopefully nobody under 30 is taking face value what vendors say, I was raised on the silk road. That’s why I mentioned QSC. Any customer can send in a product they receive to janoshik to confirm its contents, and they get 100% store credit of the item for doing so.

New users cant upload files, so just imagine a menu with 200 blue items, and when you click on any of them it links you to a janoshik test. Here’s them bottling GHK-CU

All the power to you for choosing the vendors you do, just wanted to put out to the average joe crossing by that this is a very real option. :wave:

#57

I looked at their website… Who knows what the hell they do, no names, no details, no addresses, it looks like a dark web site. Why would you trust them?

Have you sent them any samples from sigma Aldrich to see how accurate they are? Why would you trust them any More than you’d trust the typical Crypto exchange?

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#58

Powder is not bioavailable, it needs to have an enteric coating.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/qingdao-sigma-chemical-co-ltd-international-us-eu-canada-and-australia-domestic.134407154/

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#59

Janoshik has been in business for many years and has proven very reliable and accurate. He is a former MD who became interested in bodybuilding harm reduction years ago. He is licensed in his country to legally receive, test, and dispose of controlled substances. His lab has been visited by members of the bodybuilding underground, even very recently, and recent photos of his lab are available. His work has been cross checked against results from US labs, and that actually takes place frequently by groups in the community.

It is true that he serves the underground and necessarily is somewhat publicly opaque, but the bodybuilding underground is very careful about harm reduction and is also very unforgiving and open about those who cannot be trusted. Janoshik participates daily on multiple underground forums and groups to answer questions and provide analysis. His technical knowledge regarding substance testing is obvious and deep. His lab is considered the reference standard for testing, and he is also an expert in storage and preservation of different 'research chemicals." He also has some useful, insider knowledge about raw material suppliers.

I know the AAS underground world is unfamiliar to most of the rapamycin.news crowd, but it’s probably a much larger world than the longevity space, and it’s not an unsophisticated group.

Sigma Aldrich, interestingly enough, has also been checked against other reference sample providers, and was once found sending out a very low quality sample, essentially junk. Everybody in this arena needs to be constantly vetted, even the large, “respected” companies.

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#60

Yeah, It’s pretty wild. I was pretty shocked when I found out the link between ultramarathon runners actually have a lower life expectancy then the general pop because of all the correlation I’ve heard between vo2 max and longevity, but it just goes to show you’ve only got one heart.

I think bodybuilding also suffers from dishonesty and illegality, people like Arnold saying he took doses of dbol used in women’s trials to become The Terminator doesn’t really help the 26 year old 300lb’er who can keep telling himself “awh they probably did more”

not this time kiddo

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